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I am going to be gettting TaylorMade R9 TPs and I need to decide if I am going to get a 4 iron or not. My bag set-up will be driver, 3 wood, 3 hybrid, 4 hybrid, 52* and 58* and obviously my putter. Now my questions is should I get the 4 iron since I will have a 4 hybrid. I know the 4 iron will go different distance than the 4 hybrid. If I don't get the 4 iron, then what should I get to fill my bag up with 14 clubs. Thanks for any help.
Driver- SuperTri 9.5*
Wood- 906 F2 13*
Hybrids- Rescue TP 17*
Irons(4-PW)- R9 TP w/ KBS Tour
Wedge-ZTP 52* w/ KBS Tour Wedge-58* VokeyPutter- Studio Select New Port 2 Mid-SlantBall-TP Black/Red

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I am going to be gettting TaylorMade R9 TPs and I need to decide if I am going to get a 4 iron or not. My bag set-up will be driver, 3 wood, 3 hybrid, 4 hybrid, 52* and 58* and obviously my putter. Now my questions is should I get the 4 iron since I will have a 4 hybrid. I know the 4 iron will go different distance than the 4 hybrid. If I don't get the 4 iron, then what should I get to fill my bag up with 14 clubs. Thanks for any help.

id get a 5 wood its my favorite club in the bag


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id get a 5 wood its my favorite club in the bag

Haha. My 5 Wood is my least favorite club in my bag. I don't even know why I even keep it in my bag...I haven't used it in months.

Anyway, I would go with the 4 Iron but if you decide not to take the four iron, I would add maybe a low lofted PW(maybe 46°) or a high lofted LW(maybe 62°).

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Haha. My 5 Wood is my least favorite club in my bag. I don't even know why I even keep it in my bag...I haven't used it in months.

I was thinking about adding a 64 degree wedge but, I thought I might get myself in more trouble with that wedge. I just thought I might use it when I don't need to and end up worse off. But, who knows it could end up working for me.

Driver- SuperTri 9.5*
Wood- 906 F2 13*
Hybrids- Rescue TP 17*
Irons(4-PW)- R9 TP w/ KBS Tour
Wedge-ZTP 52* w/ KBS Tour Wedge-58* VokeyPutter- Studio Select New Port 2 Mid-SlantBall-TP Black/Red

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EHS, you are changing the way you play. I noticed you didn't list any current FW. But after this change you'll have a 3W and 2 Hybrids. I'm thinking you might want that 4i around in case you have to take longer than you like to get used to the new setup. Couldn't hurt. Besides the more complete a set is the higher the resale value later.

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EHS, you are changing the way you play. I noticed you didn't list any current FW. But after this change you'll have a 3W and 2 Hybrids. I'm thinking you might want that 4i around in case you have to take longer than you like to get used to the new setup. Couldn't hurt. Besides the more complete a set is the higher the resale value later.

The reason I don't have a FW in my sig is because I already got rid of my old FW and my old Hybrid.

Driver- SuperTri 9.5*
Wood- 906 F2 13*
Hybrids- Rescue TP 17*
Irons(4-PW)- R9 TP w/ KBS Tour
Wedge-ZTP 52* w/ KBS Tour Wedge-58* VokeyPutter- Studio Select New Port 2 Mid-SlantBall-TP Black/Red

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id get a gw for in between your pw and 58 degree
DriverMonster Hi-Bore XLS/w Mintsubishi Diamana Fit-On M Gold Stiff 55g
Woods906F4 3 Wood/w Aldila VS Proto Fairway Stiff 80g
Hybrid3dx red 20 and 23 degree
Irons3dx red 5-pw
Wedgesharmonized sand wedge 56 degree loft and harmonize lob wedge 60 degree loftPutterWhite Hot XG SabertoothBallNoddle or ...

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So the new additions are the 2nd Hybrid and the 52* wedge. Then I'd still say get the 4i. Would you be willing to try adding more wedges as someone suggested? Me I think Pelz is right about knowing how far each will go with a certain backswing but like so many old Pros two wedges is enough for me. I'll make them work when I need to.

I also have a 4i but it's not in the bag now because I'm trying 3 hybrids.

It ain't bragging if you can do it.
 
Taylor Made Burner '09 8.5* UST Pro Force V2, Mizuno F-60 3 wood UST Pro Force V2, Mizuno MP-68 3-PW  S300, Bobby Jones Wedges S and L, Nike Ignite 001, Leupold GX-II


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I would be more than willing to add another wedge. Sometimes I think when it comes to wedges having less is better for me. It basically decides what I have to do and there are no second guessing. But, I am not set on that attitude as I said earlier, I would be more than willing to add another wedge.
Driver- SuperTri 9.5*
Wood- 906 F2 13*
Hybrids- Rescue TP 17*
Irons(4-PW)- R9 TP w/ KBS Tour
Wedge-ZTP 52* w/ KBS Tour Wedge-58* VokeyPutter- Studio Select New Port 2 Mid-SlantBall-TP Black/Red

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EHS, you are changing the way you play. I noticed you didn't list any current FW. But after this change you'll have a 3W and 2 Hybrids. I'm thinking you might want that 4i around in case you have to take longer than you like to get used to the new setup. Couldn't hurt. Besides the more complete a set is the higher the resale value later.

Bingo. Who wants to buy a used set that starts at 5-iron? Okay, maybe a lot of people, but sure as heck not me.

Get the long irons - maybe even the 2 and 3 if available and affordable. Hit them at the range too. It'll make the 5-iron feel like a wedge.

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.


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Haha. My 5 Wood is my least favorite club in my bag. I don't even know why I even keep it in my bag...I haven't used it in months.

21* is not a loft for a 5 wood but more of a 7 wood... isn't it ?

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21* is not a loft for a 5 wood but more of a 7 wood... isn't it ?

The 21* Spalding 5-wood I have in a bag in the basement says otherwise. The 19* Titleist sitting in the same bag agrees with you. The persimmon 5-woods are staying out of it.

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.


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