My Clubs are Flat!?

[ericstamper]

Ok. was just on mizuno website only to find out that the clubs i bought were 2-2.5 degrees flatter than the majority of the other companys???????????? Why??????? Are they built for 6'4" players only??hahaha
Well just dropped off my set to have them bent more upright. Will let yall know.

[goblue107501]

Why didn't you look at that before you bought them? Would seem to be an important piece of information.

There is no set loft/lie/length for clubs, every manufacturer seems to have their own way of measuring. It might even be that the other people have gone upright more and Mizuno either hasn't caught up or don't want to. I think over the years the lie angles have slowly gone up a degree or two. My 10 year old set of Mizunos that were 2º upright at the time are now almost standard.

[Jay-Bird]

Ok. was just on mizuno website only to find out that the clubs i bought were 2-2.5 degrees flatter than the majority of the other companys????????????

Not a news flash - pretty commonly known in the golf world. It's Simple. Mizuno is a Japanese company. The average height for a Japanese man is 5 ft 7.5 in. Thus, a flatter "standard" lie angle. The average American man is 5 ft 10 in. So most American companies have a more upright standard lie angle.

[iacas]

Ok. was just on mizuno website only to find out that the clubs i bought were 2-2.5 degrees flatter than the majority of the other companys???????????? Why??????? Are they built for 6'4" players only??hahaha

You have that backwards, btw. Clubs are usually flatter for shorter players.

And better players tend to prefer a slightly flatter club anyway.

[12_Over]

Mine were too upright when I got them so I had each iron bent 1-2 degrees flatter. Hitting them much more solidly now.

[Kcas77]

I just got Mizuno mp 68 irons would a flat lie angle promote a hook? because lately i have been hitting a high hook that starts at the pin then lands on left side of green.

[Jay-Bird]

I just got Mizuno mp 68 irons would a flat lie angle promote a hook? because lately i have been hitting a high hook that starts at the pin then lands on left side of green.

No. Too upright - the heel's gonna dig in, turning the club in at impact = pull/hook/"trap draw!!"

Too flat - the toe's gonna dig in, and you'll hit a weak shot and miss right.

[RC]

To know the lie angle you should use, use the tried and true method of a special tape on the sole and hitting full real shots off a (normally) thin plastic flat board, You can hit a shot and look immediately at the tape to see exactly how your shaft and clubhead combined at impact. I don't think you can make such a decision about your lie just by soling the club and looking at it statically. Typically, the clubhead toe deflects downward due to the shaft bend when you make a full swing so if your club soles perfectly at rest, the odds are it is not right when actually hitting a shot. That is what I've always been told.

[iacas]

No. Too upright - the heel's gonna dig in, turning the club in at impact = pull/hook/"trap draw!!"

That's not why. The toe and heel will dig in, but that's after impact, not before impact.

A club that's too flat, due to the loft, will send the ball to the right. Take your pitching wedge and hold it so the shaft is vertical - where's the face pointing? Up and to the right. Now hold it so the shaft is horizontal - where's the face pointing? 45 degrees left. That's why - it has nothing to do with the heel or toe digging in.

[ericstamper]

Just to follow up......ive always pushed my irons slightly but with pure contact for about 6 years when i moved to mizuno's. love the feel. never even once thought to check the lie angle!!! moved it 2 degrees upright and was on target everytime. hit a couple fat shots but over all t was the best 30 dollars spent. got pretty sun burned so i wont be playing again for a few days.

[groovezilla79]

Anyone who buys a nice set of Mizzy's (or any other nice clube for that matter) and doesn't get fitted is just asking for trouble. Yes, you can save a few hundred bucks by getting standard setup off eBay, but isn't that money worth the better shot making and enjoyment of the game?