Man playing against a woman with hc's involved.

[shades9323]

I get down to see my mom a couple times of year during golf season and we play. We like to put a little wager on things. She is a 25 index/28 course hc. I am a 11.2 index/13 course handicap. It gets tricky since the women have 4 extra par 5's on the 18 hole course. She says she gets 4 extra strokes due to the par 5's. Is that built into the rating for the women already or does she really get 4 extra strokes?

We played last weekend and I gave her the 4 extra strokes. I won $.50!

[kafka01]

Okay i dont really get what you say by having 4 extra par 5´s (you mean Par 4s for men and Par 5s for women? - that sounds a bit "unbalanced")? But if the course is rated officially and she gets 28 with this rating - thats it - its included - so no extra strokes otherwise she would play to a 32.

[Fourputt]

Okay i dont really get what you say by having 4 extra par 5´s (you mean Par 4s for men and Par 5s for women? - that sounds a bit "unbalanced")? But if the course is rated officially and she gets 28 with this rating - thats it - its included - so no extra strokes otherwise she would play to a 32.

That is a common way to make a course more playable for women, and it''s a lot cheaper than building a new tee box. My home course has 2 extra par 5's for the women on the back 9. When we play them, we play the course as rated. The women just get their allowed strokes where the hole handicaps put them. On the extra par 5 holes we just rate score against "par" not against total strokes. If I make a 4 and she makes a 5 on one of those holes, then we tie if no handicap strokes are to be applied.

[microcrayfish]

Not sure if I'm getting this right but why don't you guys just play the same set of tees? Whichever way you go it should balance out, your course handicap should drop to account for you playing the easier women's tees or hers should rise to match playing harder tees. There's a few courses that I play where the women's tees give them a par 5 when it would be a par 4 if it was from the men's but were I playing from the women's tees my course hanicap would be lower than from the men's to even it out.

[Fourputt]

Not sure if I'm getting this right but why don't you guys just play the same set of tees? Whichever way you go it should balance out, your course handicap should drop to account for you playing the easier women's tees or hers should rise to match playing harder tees. There's a few courses that I play where the women's tees give them a par 5 when it would be a par 4 if it was from the men's but were I playing from the women's tees my course hanicap would be lower than from the men's to even it out.

My course (and most others I've seen) doesn't even publish a men's handicap from the forward tees. I wouldn't even know how to find it out. Men are expected to play from the middle tees or farther, and the handicaps are set up to work that way.

[microcrayfish]

My course (and most others I've seen) doesn't even publish a men's handicap from the forward tees. I wouldn't even know how to find it out. Men are expected to play from the middle tees or farther, and the handicaps are set up to work that way.

My course has a stroke and slope rating posted for men off the front tees but maybe it's different in this part of the world. If it is the case that there's no men's handicap from the women's tees then the OP's mother can always play from further back, if she finds the extra distance too much of a challenge beyond her adjusted course handicap then another solution might have to be found but it seems like the best way to go about it for now.

[M2R]

The USGA has a paper on this very subject Competing From Different Tees which should pretty much answer everything.

Short answer is she gets the difference between your course handicaps plus (or minus if yours is more) the difference in course rating.

[shades9323]

The have a ryder cup like event and the end of the year that pitts the men versus the women. I guess they have adopted that rule where the women get 4 extra strokes from the men. I really don't mind giving her the strokes. I usually end up taking a couple quarters off of her depending on the game we play that round. I was just wondering if the usga has any info on something like this.

[RemyM]

Women competing against men do not get strokes added or subtracted due to differences in par. The adjustment is only made for the difference in course ratings. So in the OP's case he needs to know what the course ratings are for the tees they are each playing and the player playing from the higher rated tees would get the difference between the ratings added to his or her strokes. So if the male is playing from tees rated at 71.5 and the female from tees rated at 73.4 the female would get two more strokes. The other item of note is if you are playing match play it is still the low score of the hole that wins even if the women is playing a par 5 and the man a par 4. So if they both make par the man wins the hole since he had a 4 and she had a 5. Just one of the reasons that I believe a course should have the same par for men and women.

[DavidFehertysBike]

I played agaist a very skilled girl a few weeks ago. I forgot her handicap, but she had to be at least a 1 or 2. She played the ladies tee, i played the blue tee. We went strait up and i got my ass whooped. She did have an extra par 5 that i had to play as a 4. Figuring her handi was 2, the USGA says we should have played that match strait up. But in reality, she probably had to give me 2 or 3 strokes.