Push Draw...got the push part down

[anthony]

So, I'm trying to get the push draw down as I'm sick and tired of slicing the crap out of the ball with my over the top move. The push part I can do no problem. In fact a little too well at times. However, I can't get it to draw back. Occasionally, it will draw back, but usually it just ends up as a dead push.

I've tried leaving the face open, but I end up putting a little push slice on it that way (which obviously means it's too open).

That leaves me with the assumption the face is too open to the target in my swing. I'm wondering if anyone has any tips or drills for getting the face in the correct position at impact? When I "try" to square it up, I end up totally screwing it up. So, to recap: I can push it straight right all day. The draw just ain't happening.

My grip is neutral or possibly a little strong if that helps.

[LIgolfer]

Try closing your stace a little this will help get a more inside-out swing path and will give you some of the draw spin that will work the ball back right to left.

[Shanks A Million]

I can almost guarantee you're not pushing it. Most players set up with their feet pointing to the right. If you swung over the top, you got used to it starting left. What you may think is a push is probably dead straight. Alignment is something too few people really work on, but if you go to a tour event, every single pro has some sort of alignment aid on the range.

[radcochran]

I agree and had the same problem. I bet your are 15 yards right of the target. Remember, to hit a draw the face has to be slightly closed at impact to the swing path. Not necessarily to the target. You dont want to swing too far from the inside, but the more you swing from the inside, the less closed the face has to be to impart the draw spin.

[saevel25]

Yep, pretty much. I use to play a straight shot, but was a pull. Which was good because i aimed 20 yards right of my target. I got pretty good at this, but then days of hooking or just demolishing a drive straight 20 yards right got me to fix this.

Now i am starting to truely understand the issues with my swing, and its getting better.

[KEEPITSIMPLE]

When I use to play more, I use to have this down to an art.When My timing is off, I just aim left,yes folks left for a draw and I make sure that I swing way flat and outside,so that I don't end up left. My pushes were right side of the fairway and when it draws, it ends up in the middle.Days when my set up or putting or whatver is off, I always have this move that is really accurate for me and pretty darn long for an amature.Everone's backswing is different so the amount that you have to "push" to draw will be different,but really you have to focus on swinging flatter and more outside. start at 2'o clock and than 3 than 4. You'll be suprised how far you have to push to get a release. It is just how our body is wired. At certain point if you push it out far enough, the forearm is going to rotate and that is when the ball will start drawing. OH, do not flip. If you flip,your hands are dissconected from rest of your body and all bets are off.

[KEEPITSIMPLE]

Just to illustrated what I am talking about.I had a three year layoff and a lot of old bad habits are creeping their way back,flying elbow,bad poster,setup,etc....... But I always been a really really good driver of the ball because I swing outside and up on the driver, and if you guys forgive the bad habts and just check out the bottom of the swing, I think the action is good, and basically all I did was make a shoulder turn and drive inside to outside and up with the lower body.

[anthony]

  Shanks A Million said:

I can almost guarantee you're not pushing it. Most players set up with their feet pointing to the right. If you swung over the top, you got used to it starting left. What you may think is a push is probably dead straight. Alignment is something too few people really work on, but if you go to a tour event, every single pro has some sort of alignment aid on the range.

Maybe, I don't quite understand how to hit a push then. My entire body, including feet, are pointing around 15 degrees right. I thought that's what I was supposed to be doing. The more I think about it though, you're right, that is just a straight shot to the right. Should my feet be lined up towards the target then?

[KEEPITSIMPLE]

Nooooo,the feet should be line up parallel to the target.Put a club down pointing toward the target and put another one parallel to that and put your feel down to that. Funny, I know this and I never do it,and here is a another tip to keep in mind- All a golf swing really is is to keep your center joints connected and swinging that connection in an inside to outside plane. Problem is when you don't setup correctly,you make it doubly hard to stay connected with you joints. Funny too, I know this but I don't do it, but really really important for the higher handicap player to understand this because it is a simple understanding but one that will beat many many tips because this is an **understanding** of what they are trying to explain in parts.

Points your knees in and keep your left and right elbow as closely together as possible and swing inside out or rotate inside out whatever you feel comfortable with your core. Swing correctly with good setup and center joints connection and swing inside out and everything becomes simple.Really and the center joints go inside out in close to parallel plane in different time sequence and that is the essence of a golf swing .

[Shanks A Million]

  anthony said:

Maybe, I don't quite understand how to hit a push then. My entire body, including feet, are pointing around 15 degrees right. I thought that's what I was supposed to be doing. The more I think about it though, you're right, that is just a straight shot to the right. Should my feet be lined up towards the target then?

Yeah, you'll feel like you're aiming well left of the target. Where your feet actually point is not at the target, but left of it because the ball is not in line with your feet. Major, but common mistake.