Frequency Shaft Fitting, Project X

[MikeLowry5]

I would like to put in a set of Project X shafts throughout all my clubs. I recently got on a launch monitor and here is what I have to help. 7i: 95.56 avg ss, 97.66 high 123.6 avg ball speed, 126.7 high 6,770 avg spin, 7,029 high Wasn't swinging the club very well however I was hitting the ball on the center of the face during the fit. I do not have any Project X fitters in my area to help. Additionally, I should mention that I am trying to get some heavier shafts in my clubs now as my transition can be a bit violent. I believe this may help tame me at the top some. Right now I play the stock Burner Ion 105g shafts in my irons. Any help?

[normdamarine]

I play PX shafts and love them. They are a little stiffer than most shafts so for your swing speed I would play 6.0's Flighted. You can buy a set of flighted 6.0's for about $125's for an 8 iron set. I play 6.5's in my wedges because I like them a little stiffer in my wedges.

[normdamarine]

I do not know if you have seen this but it is a good link to help you:

http://www.pxshaft.com/shaftfit/index.html?reset=1

[wrx_junki]

Check out the PX 6.5's or the DG X100.

[normdamarine]

Originally Posted by wrx_junki

Check out the PX 6.5's or the DG X100.

Why would you tell him to put X 100's in his clubs when he is asking about Project X Shafts?

[wrx_junki]

Originally Posted by normdamarine

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Originally Posted by wrx_junki

Check out the PX 6.5's or the DG X100.

Why would you tell him to put X 100's in his clubs when he is asking about Project X Shafts?

That's why I suggested PX 6.5 and the DG X100 is another option for "heavier shafts". If we are questioning other people, why would you recommend him flighted 6.0 shafts?

[normdamarine]

Originally Posted by wrx_junki

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Originally Posted by normdamarine

Why would you tell him to put X 100's in his clubs when he is asking about Project X Shafts?

That's why I suggested PX 6.5 and the DG X100 is another option for "heavier shafts". If we are questioning other people, why would you recommend him flighted 6.0 shafts?

The reason why I said "Flighted" is because he has a high ball spin rate and those shafts will keep the ball from balloning! The reason why I was asking about the X100's is because he was asking specifically about PX shafts, not DG. He did not ask about different types of shafts, he was asking about PX shafts so your response was off topic.

[wrx_junki]

Originally Posted by normdamarine

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Originally Posted by wrx_junki

That's why I suggested PX 6.5 and the DG X100 is another option for "heavier shafts". If we are questioning other people, why would you recommend him flighted 6.0 shafts?

The reason why I said "Flighted" is because he has a high ball spin rate and those shafts will keep the ball from balloning! The reason why I was asking about the X100's is because he was asking specifically about PX shafts, not DG. He did not ask about different types of shafts, he was asking about PX shafts so your response was off topic.

It's not far off topic as in that he is looking for "heavier shafts" and PX is one option for a "heavier shaft". There is nothing wrong with suggesting a different shaft that could potentially be a better fit. Off topic would be if I were to start talking about how he should start playing a low spin ball to bring the ball flight down. By the way 6.5's are a better for his swing speed not the 6.0's.

[normdamarine]

Originally Posted by wrx_junki

It's not far off topic as in that he is looking for "heavier shafts" and PX is one option for a "heavier shaft". There is nothing wrong with suggesting a different shaft that could potentially be a better fit. Off topic would be if I were to start talking about how he should start playing a low spin ball to bring the ball flight down. By the way 6.5's are a better for his swing speed not the 6.0's.

6.0's are fine for his swing speed as I have the same speed. I also added the website to help him in his journey. The topic of the thread is "Frequency Shaft Fitting, Project X" not hey help me out and suggest a shaft, any shaft!

[Kurtomac]

The 6.5's seem more towards the OP's swing as he quotes "voilent" tranisition...at only 92mph the shaft optimizer recommended a 6.5 for me with a somewhat quick transition...you may have a much smoother tempo that the OP or myself thus allowing you to swing the weaker shaft...just a thought. OP see if you can find a golf shop with a 6.0 and a 6.5 flighted or not. If you cant see if you can take em out or hit them in a launch monitor.

Originally Posted by normdamarine

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Originally Posted by wrx_junki

It's not far off topic as in that he is looking for "heavier shafts" and PX is one option for a "heavier shaft". There is nothing wrong with suggesting a different shaft that could potentially be a better fit. Off topic would be if I were to start talking about how he should start playing a low spin ball to bring the ball flight down. By the way 6.5's are a better for his swing speed not the 6.0's.

6.0's are fine for his swing speed as I have the same speed. I also added the website to help him in his journey. The topic of the thread is "Frequency Shaft Fitting, Project X" not hey help me out and suggest a shaft, any shaft!

[MikeLowry5]

Thanks for the reply's guys!  I have tried an X Forged Callaway 6i in a 6.5 and a X-22 tour in a 6.0 and preferred the X-22 tour.  I am not sure if that is the head or the shaft :(.  Since it is winter here I am going to have a 6.5 put in my 7i and a 6.0 in my 6i tonight and see which I like better.  I am hoping this will give me a better idea of what to do.

Anyone ever toy with using different frequencies throughout your set or do you absolutely want the set to be the same throughout?  I ask this because i have a 4hy that is steel shafted and I am going to put a steel shaft in my 3hy as well.

[M2R]

As I understand it Project X shafts are not frequency matched, they are constant weight.  Project X Flighted are not frequency matched or constant weight they are descending weight.  For further reading there are decent articles on some of True Temper's constant weight shafts here and descending weight shafts here .

Quote: ref 1.

Q7: Are all of Rifle's shafts Frequency Matched?

A7: No. Only our line of shafts (Rifle and Rifle Flighted) are Frequency Matched.

Quote: ref 2. (my emphasis)

Project X is a mid/heavy constant weight stepless shaft. The shorter tip section and longer taper rate create a stable, but not overly stiff tip. Offers good feel with a tight dispersion pattern.

Dynamic Gold is a heavy-weight steel shaft with a high flex point that produces a lower, penetrating trajectory with lower spin for control. This shaft is ideal for strong, high ball speed players seeking greater weight feedback with lower launch and spin.

Project X Flighted is a heavy, descending weight shaft. The mid flex point launches higher with more spin than regular Project X. Provides a different feel than constant weight shafts .

Also possibly interesting but OT:

Quote: ref 3.

Q11: What do numbers like "5.5" and "6.5" mean?

A11: A golf club at 43" would oscillate in a frequency analyzer at 255 CPM to be a 5.5 flex designation. A 43" club oscillating 265 CPM would be a 6.5 flex designation. If you drop the "2" in "255" and "265", the relationship becomes apparent. These numbers of 5.5 and 6.5, etc. are all based on a club at 43" and every shorter club of the same flex designation will have a CPM increase of 4.3 CPM per 1/2". Every longer club will have a decrease of 4.3 CPM per 1/2". For example, if a club at 43" were 265 CPM, a club of the same flex designation at 42-1/2" would be 269.3 CPM (265 + 4.3). A club at 44" of the same flex would be 256.4 CPM (265 - 8.6). All three clubs are 6.5

References:

1. http://www.truetemper.com/pxshaft/faq_frequency.asp

2. http://www.titleist.com/images/products/pdfs/Custom_20100101.pdf

3. http://www.truetemper.com/pxshaft/faq_frequency_2.asp

[WUTiger]

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....I do not have any Project X fitters in my area to help. ...

Mike,

I went on the Project X site, and found a link by True Temper for Performance Fitting Centers. PFCs fit for PX and DG shafts. If I remember right, you live in the  St. Louis area, which has three PFCs; note, the map plots for Midwest Golflab and Woody's Custom appear to be reversed.

Here is the site: http://www.performancefittingcenter.com/pfc/

Just open PFC's middle link and plug in your zip code.

[MikeLowry5]

Ok I did the shaftfit.com fitting and it recommended a Rifle 7.0.  I put in an average carry of 150yds for my 7i, standard weight on shafts, mid trajectory and standard length.  7.0 seems a bit stiff, especially thinking about hitting a 4i-5i with a 7.0.  I don't think it would be crazy to think of hitting a PW or 9i with that flex but wouldn't want it for the longer irons.  The 7.0 is also odd in that my driver flex almost always falls into the stiff flex area (106-110mph ss).

I hit my 60°-8i as well as anyone I know.  If I do miss with them it tends to be a pull or a straight draw, rarely a block or slice.  I know the block/hook and slice/pull are related however, I do not miss left (I'm left handed) with these clubs much.  Once I get to my 7i-5i I rarely miss right with these.  If I do miss right it is usually a smother hook out of the rough.

So...... would it be crazy to have different flexes as I do down my set?  Anyone ever toyed with this?  I am going to contact a fitter for the Project X here in the area to get their thoughts as well.  My only issue is I would like to purchase the shafts online for a savings vs spending a TON of money with a small outfit that charges close to list prices for all of their equipment.

Thoughts?

[WUTiger]

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Ok I did the shaftfit.com fitting and it recommended a Rifle 7.0. ...

I haven't had the fitting, but given your swing data that seems awfully stiff. The PX 6.0 rates as slightly stiffer than the DG S300. Did you have any luck with the TrueT site?

[MikeLowry5]

Yes, have a launch monitor session with Midwest Golf Lab on Monday.

[MikeLowry5]

Ok so I braved the snow tonight to make my appt at Midwest Golf Lab tonight and wished I would have stayed home :( . Once I arrived I noticed they had the trackman set up and he wanted me to hit my driver. ??? I quickly realized the gentleman who took my call on Friday did not put down that I wanted to get fit for a PX shaft or other recommendations. So I start hitting drivers. I am not hitting the ball well, low and off the toe. He gets a reading of no better than a 4 or 5 degree launch angle. Some of them had a negative launch angle. Now I will admit that I hit the ball low off the tee however, I'm not hitting 250yd ground balls out there. He stops the session within about the first 10 swings, pawns me off with an Irish fellow who plays on the Senior Tour . This fellow works on getting my weight on my back foot, releasing from the top so that the "clubface is passing the hands" and I'm better rotating my forearms. While this is going on, John Kelly is talking with a drop in customer about snow, the game tonight and then Jamie Sadlowski. After the Irish fellow finishes his tips, John Kelly asks that I help him set up the trackman to watch the Irishman swing. At this point I wanted to just settle up and get out of there but, I want to be courteous so I stay, watch 3-4 swings before I am handed a piece of paper to fill out for my contact info. At this point I feel like a complete pawn, ask to settle up, shake everyones hands and leave. The one thing I felt he did right was not charging me for the session. I leave and they finally get the uncomfortable feeling as I go. This is the same feeling I had while in there. I am glad there was an awkward silence so they could maybe understand I felt like a complete pawn in their presence. I have decided to email John to let him know my concerns/feelings. I hope he responds. I am not fucking hack, make good coin, and would be a great customer to that place (ask golf galaxy) like that. While leaving I felt like a broke hacker who had no business being there. Mike

[WUTiger]

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Ok so I braved the snow tonight to make my appt at Midwest Golf Lab tonight and wished I would have stayed home :( .

Mike,

Since I suggested these guys, I feel bad that things didn't go better for you. I guess not all custom fitters are created equal.

And belated congratulations. You have done better at reducing your HDCP than I have.