Are the "Kyoei" blades such as, Miura, Vega, KZG, Scatch..ect. Really that superior to other forged clubs?

[rtallud2]

Considering they are up to 2500 are they really better? What is Kyoei forging anyways?

[LankyLefty]

Are they going to magically make your scores drop? No.

Kyoei is a company, that forges all kinds of things from parts for John Dere to... golf clubs.

They are however one of the if not the highest quality forging outfits in the world. They are renowned for quality, craftsmanship and consistency. What you get is the highest quality forging available. Weather or not that helps you on the golf course? I dont know.

[rdwoody]

Better? That's debatable. When it comes to a particular forging, better is in the hand of the beholder. From my personal experience, Kyoei forgings are some of the softest. That leads to that "hitting a marshmallow" feel when you strike the ball, but that isn't for everyone. Some people like a more positive feel when they strike the ball. Also, Kyoei does many forgings. They sell clubs with their name on them, and I know they do Vega clubs. Outside of those, I'm not sure. But, Miura is not a Kyoei forged club, I don't believe. I think Miura does all their own forging. If you talk to anyone that's ever hit a Miura, they'll tell you that they're the best blades out there and worth every penny. I haven't had a chance to hit them, but I'd like to.

I have hit some Vega irons and they are very nice sticks, but I've also hit some Endo forged irons (Nike Forged Blades, my Ben Hogan Apex, and Bridgestone J33B) and they're all just as good, in my opinion. And much, much cheaper. You can get a set of any of those irons for $200-$300 in very good condition. The Vega and Kyoei clubs will be quite a bit steeper and will be harder to come by.

[LankyLefty]

Yeah should probably add that not all Japanese forged blades are forged by Kyoei.

In fact im fairly sure of the companies named only Vega blades are forged by Kyoei.

The rest are forged in Japan however but not by Kyoei.

[GaijinGolfer]

Better, no but they are definetly more exclusive.

[jmcmb]

Gold's factory wedges, Vega, Yururi, and obviously Kyoei, are Kyoei forgings. Miura does there own forgings. Kyoei forgings are known to be very soft. Golf clubs are all about personal preference, what one person loves, another might hate, what works for one, may not work for another, what's better for a scratch golfer, chances are will not be better for a 30 handicapper.... A friend of mine attempted to hit my mp67s about a week ago, he took 3 swings, could not really get the ball in the air with any distance, looked at me and said "these clubs suck, why would you ever use them", he just started playing last month, has a set of burner irons, and really likes them..... So for me, the word "better" doesn't really work when describing golf clubs. Most players that play blades, or other forged clubs with little help buy clubs based on feel and personal preferences, the actual performance of these clubs is fairly constant, but some may prefer a very soft feel, while another may prefer a more positive stronger feel. What your really paying for with clubs in this category is how much care goes into the making of each club, with that care comes consistency, and a level of craftsmanship you can't find in mass produced clubs. Search Miura golf on YouTube and you will find a few videos of Mr Miura and his sons hand grinding wedges at there factory, sitting right there at a belt grinder and putting grinds on wedges with a degree of skill that only a fierce desire for excellence and years of experience can achieve, now I would find it very hard to imagine the President of Acushnet sitting in a factory doing paint fill on a set of AP2's, or the CEO of Nike custom grinding wedges for "John smith" in Arizona, now is this attention to detail and degree of care needed? Probably not, will it lower your scores consistently? Probably not, but will it turn out a more consistent club that does exactly what it's expected to do? Yes absolutely.... Every club maker i speak to about clubs of this category tells me the biggest difference between these and mass produced clubs is the quality of the build, the attention to detail, and the consistency, the specs are always spot on, when Miura tells you a club is a certain loft, or lie, or weight, it is exactly that, there is almost no variation, and that just isn't true for every mass produced club made by the larger manufacturers..... Will they out perform something from Mizuno or titleist by any great margin? Chances are no. I've always used forged clubs from the larger companies, and i've loved a lot of them, they've always performed well for me(as long as I actually performed well), but since discovering companies like Miura, Scratch, Yururi, etc.., they have piqued my interest like no other golf club ever has, that attention to detail is very attractive to me personally, and there is a certain art, and beauty to the clubs that I haven't seen in a mass produced club. I would recommend reading Erik Barzeski's review of the Miura tourney blade, and CB 501 on this site, I think he illustrates the differences between the Miuras and the more mass produced clubs very eloquently, and kinda hits the nail right on the head. Hope this helps. Jay