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By anaveragehacker ·
I guess we’re kind of getting into semantics here, but you state “trading a bunker lie for a grass lie”. I would argue that a bunker under water is no longer a bunker. It is basically a small pond where there isn’t supposed to be one. The course has an unplayable condition due to weather and poor maintenance. Hitting a ball out of three inches of water is not a realistic option any more than hitting through a temporary grandstand is. Just my opinion. -
By billchao ·
So here’s the thing, you’ve treated the bunker as if it were GUR, which would actually be the appropriate course of action except you and your playing partners are not authorized to determine that for yourselves. The Committee in this case would be the golf course and in an ideal world, they would have handled their responsibilities and told you at the beginning of the round that X bunkers are under water, treat them as GUR. I’m actually ok with how you handled the situation in a casual round TBH but this is the rules forum and you asked about a rules clarification so there’s a specific procedure for that. As for your proposed rule, I don’t agree with the logic at all for the reason I outlined in my previous post. You are trading a bunker lie for a lie in grass for no penalty. And also, there are already rules in place that address the exact situation you found yourself in, including relief options for if the bunker was appropriately marked as GUR or not. -
By anaveragehacker ·
Someone asked would pros accept someone else keeping score. It’s done in every other sport. That’s what scorekeepers are for. It’s an antiquated rule. It’s fine for non-professionals. I feel like there is a lot of resistance to rule in golf, as if these rules were brought down on stone tablets by Moses. -
By GolfLug ·
Y'all can appoint a few good men from your own league that have proper understanding of the rules or at least access the USGA rules (book, online, etc.) when necessary. They don't have to have some kind of official certification or blessings from any outside org/entity to my knowledge. Yes, y'all could have collectively declared it GUR under F-16 as @DaveP043 posted as the self appointed committee and you would have been fine to drop outside of this particular bunker. Remember to not declare all bunkers as GUR on a wholesale basis. It is case by case only. Now you might say 'who's got time for all that' (going around which bunkers should be declared GUR) then I can somewhat understand your pain but at the same time you cannot fault the tedium of rules enforcement as a general reason to declare them 'lacking in common sense'. -
By DaveP043 ·
Its simple, YOU are responsible for reporting YOUR score correctly, at every level of golf. Do you imagine a top pro would really trust anyone else with his score? Without getting too far from the original post, the Rules have been revised every 4 years for decades. They're continually evaluated, and most changes are in response to changes within the game. BTW, if wind blows your ball off the green before you've lifted and replaced it, you play from wherever it ends up. The TV call ins weren't a rule of golf issue, they were a PGA Tour issue, all in an effort to get the call right.
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