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Alright well due to a golf game down supremely South I am in desperate for any help and am about 2 bad rounds away from completely reworking a swing from the ground up.  I have developed an extreme slice with not only my driver but my lower irons as well.  The problem Is no matter how much I close my clubface I still slice.  And It seems that the further left I aim the more right it goes, this tells me that clearly I am coming across the ball and putting side spin.

But Now I have no idea how to fix this problem, This is a problem that has very recently got alot worse and made the game immensely more frustrating seeing how It really got out of hand in the last few months.  Last year I was hitting more consistently and when I really hit my stride I was hitting a high fade.

Any help or usefull tips or drills you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by mosnas

Alright well due to a golf game down supremely South I am in desperate for any help and am about 2 bad rounds away from completely reworking a swing from the ground up.  I have developed an extreme slice with not only my driver but my lower irons as well.  The problem Is no matter how much I close my clubface I still slice.  And It seems that the further left I aim the more right it goes, this tells me that clearly I am coming across the ball and putting side spin.

But Now I have no idea how to fix this problem, This is a problem that has very recently got alot worse and made the game immensely more frustrating seeing how It really got out of hand in the last few months.  Last year I was hitting more consistently and when I really hit my stride I was hitting a high fade.

Any help or usefull tips or drills you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated.

There are no tips for this cure, you need some long term instruction. Golf is like a medical problem, sometimes you can take a few advil, other times you need full rehabilitation. Your swing needs rehabilitated. Post a video and let some people get you started in the right direction. A slice can be a lot of things, but it is 99% of the time an outside to in swing path. how that swing path is caused, that's another can of worms.

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You need some instruction and posting your swing or going to a pro is the best answer.

In the meantime try this little drill. Take the club back to the halfway point to where the butt of the club is pointing at an imaginary ball, stop there and pause. Now initiate your swing from the ground up and swing to full finish. You are going to feel your lower body really start this to be able to pass the impact area with any speed, and it should help the path. If you can, go outside and practice this half swing. Start by drawing a line where the imaginary ball should be. Try taking a divot with the entry point at the line and the divot going slightly right or at least down the line. Now try to duplicate this in your full swing without the ball. Next try it on the range going from half and gradually working to full. Most people slice because the upper body takes over bringing the club over the top which produces a severe outside to in path.  This drill may help if you do it correctly. It was a drill that I did for a few months because under pressure I was forgetting about my lower body and starting with my shoulders producing a cut swing.  Additionally search ball flight laws on this forum so you know the physics and truth.

Here is one version (Not the best example but I found it quickly to give you some idea):

http://vimeo.com/12784437

If you still are cutting across the ball or have problems with this drill, you really need to see a qualified instructor. I would highly recommend that you do that anyway because you really will get quality feedback and a plan to improve. Good luck.

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Im not much for the range, but when I do practice there I just pretend im hitting into a net. Focus on the "process" not the result. That should be the next thread to go along with the "stupid monkeys".

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