Cart Path Relief

[vmsea]

The ball came to rest near the cart path.. with hills rolling off the nearest point.

if i drop, it will inevitably roll about 10 yards down, and onto the fairway (hey bonus!)

I didn't really know what to do, so i hit it while standing on the cart path b/c i didn't want to take a free drop in error.

Question is:

if the drop lands, and rolls down the hill at the NPR, am i still entitled to the drop even though it improves my lie greatly?

(it doesn't roll closer to the hole, just in parallel down a hill towards fairway).

Thanks!

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by vmsea

The ball came to rest near the cart path.. with hills rolling off the nearest point.

if i drop, it will inevitably roll about 10 yards down, and onto the fairway (hey bonus!)

I didn't really know what to do, so i hit it while standing on the cart path b/c i didn't want to take a free drop in error.

Question is:

if the drop lands, and rolls down the hill at the NPR, am i still entitled to the drop even though it improves my lie greatly?

(it doesn't roll closer to the hole, just in parallel down a hill towards fairway).

Thanks!

If the ball rolls more than 2 clublengths, you must re-drop.  If it rolls more than 2 clublengths the second time, then it must be placed at the spot where it first hit the course on the second drop.

[vmsea]

Originally Posted by Fourputt

If the ball rolls more than 2 clublengths, you must re-drop.  If it rolls more than 2 clublengths the second time, then it must be placed at the spot where it first hit the course on the second drop.

Cool.. follow up - what IF - when i place the ball where it first hits the course, it rolls down the hill (it was a pretty steep area)..?

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by vmsea

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fourputt

If the ball rolls more than 2 clublengths, you must re-drop.  If it rolls more than 2 clublengths the second time, then it must be placed at the spot where it first hit the course on the second drop.

Cool.. follow up - what IF - when i place the ball where it first hits the course, it rolls down the hill (it was a pretty steep area)..?

Then it must be placed on the nearest spot not closer to the hole where it will stay at rest.

[Dormie1360]

Then it must be placed on the nearest spot not closer to the hole where it will stay at rest.

Also, as you know, the ball must be placed in the same "type" of course. (i) except in a hazard, it must be placed at the nearest spot where it can be placed at rest that is not nearer the hole and not in a hazard; (ii) in a hazard, it must be placed in the hazard at the nearest spot where it can be placed at rest that is not nearer the hole. If a ball when placed comes to rest on the spot on which it is placed, and it subsequently moves, there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies, unless the provisions of any other Rule apply.

[luu5]

Originally Posted by Dormie1360

Also, as you know, the ball must be placed in the same "type" of course.

Little late in this, but just to be clear the "type" only specifies hazard and non-hazard. So everything else (rough, fairway) is same type.

[geauxforbroke]

Originally Posted by Fourputt

If the ball rolls more than 2 clublengths, you must re-drop.  If it rolls more than 2 clublengths the second time, then it must be placed at the spot where it first hit the course on the second drop.

I know the rule says that you must drop within 1 club length of the nearest point of relief. Are you saying that it's ok for the ball to roll outside of that one club length as long as it is dropped within it?

Not sure I understand completely. I was under the impression that you re-dropped if it rolled outside the 1 club length.

[David in FL]

Originally Posted by geauxforbroke

I know the rule says that you must drop within 1 club length of the nearest point of relief. Are you saying that it's ok for the ball to roll outside of that one club length as long as it is dropped within it?

Not sure I understand completely. I was under the impression that you re-dropped if it rolled outside the 1 club length.

The ball must be dropped within the area prescribed.  It may then roll up to 2 club lengths from where it is dropped, even if that roll takes it out of the prescribed drop area.

20-2c/1

Dropped Ball Rolling Out of Prescribed Dropping Area

Q. A player taking relief under the Rules sometimes appears to obtain more relief than he is entitled to because the relevant Rule allows him some latitude within which to drop and the dropped ball then rolls some distance from the place where it was dropped. When a Rule prescribes an area within which a ball must be dropped, e.g., within one or two club-lengths of a particular point, should it be re-dropped if it rolls outside the area so prescribed?

A. No, not necessarily. Provided the ball has been correctly dropped (Rule 20-2a ) and does not roll into any of the positions listed in Rule 20-2c , it is in play and must not be redropped. In particular, under Rule 20-2c(vi) , the ball may roll up to two club-lengths from the point where it first struck a part of the course when dropped, and this may result in its coming to rest an appreciable distance farther from the condition from which relief is being taken. For example:

(a) a ball dropped within two club-lengths of the margin of a lateral water hazard may come to rest almost four club-lengths from the hazard margin without the player being required to re-drop it under Rule 20-2c ; and

(b) a ball dropped away from an immovable obstruction within one club-length of the nearest point of relief may come to rest almost three club-lengths from the nearest point of relief without the player being required to re-drop it under Rule 20-2c .

[geauxforbroke]

Originally Posted by David in FL

The ball must be dropped within the area prescribed.  It may then roll up to 2 club lengths from where it is dropped, even if that roll takes it out of the prescribed drop area.

20-2c/1

Dropped Ball Rolling Out of Prescribed Dropping Area

Q.A player taking relief under the Rules sometimes appears to obtain more relief than he is entitled to because the relevant Rule allows him some latitude within which to drop and the dropped ball then rolls some distance from the place where it was dropped. When a Rule prescribes an area within which a ball must be dropped, e.g., within one or two club-lengths of a particular point, should it be re-dropped if it rolls outside the area so prescribed?

A.No, not necessarily. Provided the ball has been correctly dropped (Rule 20-2a) and does not roll into any of the positions listed in Rule 20-2c, it is in play and must not be redropped. In particular, under Rule 20-2c(vi), the ball may roll up to two club-lengths from the point where it first struck a part of the course when dropped, and this may result in its coming to rest an appreciable distance farther from the condition from which relief is being taken. For example:

(a) a ball dropped within two club-lengths of the margin of a lateral water hazard may come to rest almost four club-lengths from the hazard margin without the player being required to re-drop it under Rule 20-2c; and

(b) a ball dropped away from an immovable obstruction within one club-length of the nearest point of relief may come to rest almost three club-lengths from the nearest point of relief without the player being required to re-drop it under Rule 20-2c.

Very interesting. Thanks for the literature.