Short Game Help on hardpan

[mmoan2]

Redirect me if I'm overlapping another post, but I couldn't find anything that exactly answered these questions for me.

I played a round yesterday where I had quite a few hardpan chips/pitches and I noticed that I'm pretty helpless when it comes to these shots. I tend to hit the ball on a very LOW trajectory, I don't get any spin (though I was always told that proper contact on hardpan should impart more spin), and my club bounces off the ground and causes a thin shot. Here's a few scenarios:

30 yard pitch over a bunker to a pin in the center of a small, flat, green. I tried to put the ball in the front of my stance and use the pitching technique I saw in another post using the bounce of my 60 degree wedge. It felt like it "bounced" all right - right off the hard ground into the ball and I skulled it into the bunker. If I need to hit a fairly high-lofted shot, how can I approach it off hardpan?

This goes to scenario 2- hardpan lie, about 20 yards to a green sloping downhill. If I'm on grass, I love this shot. I can land it soft by opening the face a bit and putting the ball forward and adding a little extra body rotation to make sure I hit it hard enough. On hardpan, I can't get any loft and it runs like a low chip with a PW or 9i, right off the green.

I guess I need to understand bounce more, and I play clone wedges that may be a little clunky, but it feels like bounce is killing my ability to hit a high shot because I need to put the ball in the back of my stance to avoid "bouncing" the club off the hard ground into the ball.

[flopster]

I like the way this guy explains it, but I'm also sure there is info in this site for those shots.