• Announcements

    • iacas

      GAME GOLF Ryder Cup Contest   09/22/2016

      Join our GAME GOLF Ryder Cup Challenge to win an autographed GAME GOLF, a Pebble Steel watch, and many more great prizes!
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
MConstantineJr

Strong Grip Only When "Hitting Up" On Ball

4 posts in this topic

For the most part I have a neutral grip with my irons, hybrids, and fairway woods when I am digging and I'm pretty accurate and have good distance with maybe a tiny fade in the woods and hybrids and small draw with irons. The problem is when I tee up a driver, FW wood or hybrid I MUST assume a pretty strong grip or else it's slice city. I've tried for the last 6 weeks at about 1200 balls a week on the range and just can't find it with a neutral grip teeing up the 3 aforementioned clubs. I can hit my 17* FW wood off the tee box deck with a nice divot and carry about 215-230 pretty consistently and am debating always hitting off the deck as it feels more natural rather than changing my grip to strong just for the sake of teeing it up with a driver. However my driver is about 10-30 yards longer on average. I'm also contemplating a 13* FW wood and hitting that off the tee box deck rather than teeing up a driver in hopes of gaining the yardage I would lose with my 3w. I guess what it comes down to is I'm more comfortable with a neutral grip and hitting down and compressing the ball rather than hitting up on the ball teeing it up. Does anyone flat out hit down on the ball with every club and totally abandon any other type of swing?
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Want to get rid of this advertisement? Sign up (or log in) today! It's free!

Quote:
I can hit my 17* FW wood off the tee box deck with a nice divot and carry about 215-230 pretty consistently and am debating always hitting off the deck as it feels more natural rather than changing my grip to strong just for the sake of teeing it up with a driver.

Thats extremely impressive for an 18 cap (And a consistent 223 yard average straight with a 17* club would be impressive for a 10 cap IMO).  Are you sure this isn't just mental?  Meaning, sometimes we "like" a feel and think we hit it better that way when its really just the same.  Just throwing this out there - its very unlikely you are actually doing this with an 18 cap.

Quote:
Does anyone flat out hit down on the ball with every club and totally abandon any other type of swing?

I do, but I am trying to change it.  I hit down with the driver and all the other clubs, and I hit a fade 95% of the time.  The key thing to understand here is that it isn't your swing that should change, its your setup.  If you want an upward AoA, move the ball forward.  Now, if your head is moving (more below) this doesn't work.  However, if you have a consistent swing bottom, you can get a postiive AoA by simply moving the ball forward (as it will be just in front of the bottom).

As usal, having a consistent swing bottom is the fix.  You get that by getting the first three keys IMO (steady head, flat left wrist, weight forward).

Quote:
The problem is when I tee up a driver, FW wood or hybrid I MUST assume a pretty strong grip or else it's slice city. I've tried for the last 6 weeks at about 1200 balls a week on the range and just can't find it with a neutral grip teeing up the 3 aforementioned clubs.

Its hard to tell without a video.  However, it is probably likely your head is moving forward in the downswing.  Taking a strong grip will close the face to the target, but leaves it open to the path, producing a fade.  A neutral grip probably leaves your face open/square to the target with an out-to-in path, producing a slice.

I had this exact same problem.  When your head comes forward, your angle of attack gets really steep, and you throw the club outside.  Further, when your head comes forward, you are shifting your swing bottom forward, which means you will never hit up.

What has worked for me to help this is to have a swing thought of keeping my chin glued to my chest and making half-swings.  Making full swings with this swing thought isn't great as you can get hurt, but little half swings can give you the impression of a stable head with some power.  This little drill has helped me a ton.

You should really post a video, though, as its hard to tell without one.  Your problem sounds like my problem (complete with straightening it out by gripping stronger).

Instead of just pounding away at 1200 balls per week, try putting an alignment stick in front of you about square.  Make half swings, concentrating on keeping your head still (but moving forward with everything else) and starting the ball to the left of the stick (for a fade).  This is a great drill to feel the proper clubface rotation with a neutral grip and the head staying still.  Hit 5 or 6 like this and then hit a full swing and repeat.  Isolating the problems (head moves forward, open face at impact) helped quite a bit.  It also helped me quite a lot to get an adjustable driver and put most of the weight in the heel.

That said, if you're hitting a 17* club 230 yards consistently striaght at a 18 cap I'd just strengthen the grip and go work on something else :).

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks John! Let me start by saying I'm an 18 cap because I can't hit a driver and give up 8 plus strokes easily per round and my putting is below average at best. Anything I have to hit with a descending blow I am pretty good with. I don't have an actual handicap per say. I usually shoot high 80 to low 90 so I just assume 18 handicap. I don't actually know how to calculate that. I'm about 6 foot 195 lbs and played a lot of baseball so I can generate pretty decent distance (not implying baseball is the same thing) so that's why I think I can hit a 17* fairly solid. I'd say most often I carry 215 to be fair and not exaggerate. Probably 220-230 with a good roll. So please recant my initial carry statement. I'm able to do this by taking a good sized divot and descending blow. I'll work in posting a swing sometime soon. But my gut tells me to play my driver strong gripped and move on to focus on putting.
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Also, I just purchase from EBay a matching 3 wood of 13* so I'm looking forward to comparing that to my Driver and 17*.
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2016 TST Partners

    GAME Golf
    PING Golf
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Posts

    • Some background information before you vote... I run a weekly game on Saturdays and Sundays with anywhere from 8-12 guys. Handicaps in my group range anywhere from 1 to 16. Expected pace of play at my course is right at 4 hours. Anything more and its frowned upon. We do not get the earliest tee times of 8am, because the course does me a favor by allowing me to have standing tee times without having to call every week. We have 9:00-9:10-9:20 every weekend.  This morning we had 7 guys, so I sent off a 3some (me included) and the last 4 guys to follow. On the 3rd hole I noticed that there was a 2some in front of us on 4 tee, and one of the guys took 5 practice swings just to top his driver maybe 4 feet. It was still on the tee box. He reteed and pulled one about 60 yards left. No biggie, golf is hard no matter how good or bad you are.  The 2some was not very good, so they were having a hard time keeping  up with the 4some in front of them. I texted the assistant pro (close buddy) in the pro shop and he came out and asked the 2some to try and keep pace or let our 3some through. We waited on every shot on 4-5-6 and finally on 7 green we hurried to the 8th tee only for them to look back at us then drive off. The issue was they were waiting for the 4some to get on the green before they would tee off, and then come nowhere close to hitting it 200 yards. On the 9th tee I finally said, "hey guys, do you mind if we play through? We will get through that 4some no problem and you wont see us again" They said sorry, but the 4some is not allowing them to play faster and that they couldnt let us through. At that point I said, you're a 2some, and 2 hours for 9 holes is not on pace. You need to push the guys in front of you so they know to let people through.  At the turn the assistant pro let us through, and we played through the 4some on 11 without them missing a beat. Ended up playing in 2 hours and 55 mins, even with the hold up (all three of us shot sub 80 rounds). After the round I thank the assistant pro for allowing us to play through, and mentioned that 2 hours for a 2some was not on pace. He told me that they complained that I was pressuring them to push the group in front of them, and that he was a tennis member who they would like to join as a golf member. The assistant pro said he has been giving one of them lessons, and that 2 hours probably should be their pace. I replied with " I have no problem with anyone shooting 120 on a Sunday morning, golf is golf, but when there is a faster group behind its golf courtesy to let them through"  I dont really care what they think, and honestly if they can get around in less than 4 hours Id be glad to have them play in my weekly game. Was I wrong for pushing a group of not very good golfers?  
    • Fired up the smoker and plan to watch in about 35 minutes.  Can't wait to see this match go down.  My money is on Rory, but we shall see.........   @natureboy - How about that 133 YARD ;) wedge shot yesterday into the elevated green with the pin placement in the front.  Mortals wouldn't have a chance at that pin....
    • Not a smart bet IMO.  Just for the fact that Spieth plays so well at the Masters.  I would take that bet on all the major excluding the Masters.  No one in their right mind would bet against Spieth at the masters, 2nd, 1st and 2nd place finishes in his last 3 attempts.  Just saying.....  I believe he will win another Major, @ the Masters.  
    • Yes, some ranges with limited space use "restricted flight" balls that don't fly nearly as far as regular golf balls (60% sounds about right).
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Images

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Dresilved
      Dresilved
      (51 years old)
    2. kpetrina
      kpetrina
      (24 years old)
    3. Luana
      Luana
      (38 years old)
  • Blog Entries