custom fitting? I have been fitted many times, but?

[motsco]

fittings take place on a level surface, but on a golf course I never have a level surface. so how does a custom fitting help me on course. if I'm fitted to a ping g20 maroon dot seven iron for lie off a mat on a driving range, how does that lie angle work on the golf course where the ground is plus or minus what the fitting mat is. if I hit my maroon dot irons from a slightly up hill or down hill lie what would the ball do? wouldn't make more sense to buy the neutral black dot irons and play a few rounds then request to the fitter what I want my clubs to do? hope I'm making sense, Tom

[mvmac]

fittings take place on a level surface, but on a golf course I never have a level surface. so how does a custom fitting help me on course.

if I'm fitted to a ping g20 maroon dot seven iron for lie off a mat on a driving range, how does that lie angle work on the golf course where the ground is plus or minus what the fitting mat is.

if I hit my maroon dot irons from a slightly up hill or down hill lie what would the ball do?

wouldn't make more sense to buy the neutral black dot irons and play a few rounds then request to the fitter what I want my clubs to do?

hope I'm making sense,

Tom

The answer is that it's basically close enough. On the course you typically don't get lies that are that severe where you would need a big change in lie angle. When you do, you just adjust. Golfers run into a variety of different lies so it doesn't make sense to get a set of irons that is more biased towards a specific type of lie. Also an important part of getting fit is your static info, your height/wrist to floor measurement.

[motsco]

The answer is that it's basically close enough. On the course you typically don't get lies that are that severe where you would need a big change in lie angle. When you do, you just adjust. Golfers run into a variety of different lies so it doesn't make sense to get a set of irons that is more biased towards a specific type of lie. Also an important part of getting fit is your static info, your height/wrist to floor measurement.

help me understand, I really need your help. 2 years ago when I was fitted there was tape that went on the bottom of the club and I hit balls off a plexiglass flat. the results of the tape If I can remember correctly was at the heal of the club, at this point the fitter changed the club so the tape showed more center contact on the board. so I was fitted for a more upright iron. this part of the fitting kind of sits suspect in the back of my mind, why? because since this fitting I have been hitting left shots that I think after a while make me hold the face open and then I get weak right shots. also since I got fitted off the lie board I have had to many shank type of shots but after trying to get my body rotating more I started to have toe shots. I can fix most of this by swinging flat with these irons. now after all of that said, would I be better to just use say pings static fitting online? pings site says I should be blue. but my pro fitting put me at maroon the most upright at the time. to really explain my confusion with questions. (89mph 7 iron SS. R Shaft) when hitting off the fitting board, say hit a little behind the ball what does the make the club head do? what if I stand up a little taller while hitting of the board? the other day I was at GG using a g30 R Shaft green dot on the sim. I could work these clubs, but I did have a bit to many left shots, tho my miss hits where thin or closer to the toe, no matter what I tried I couldn't get near the heal. so if pings static fitting says I should be blue, would it hurt to go neutral (black dot)? and then later in the spring get fitted for lie? and why would my lie make me a maroon dot, and I'm only 5'9"? thanks, Tom

[Hardballs]

I don't know your standard of golf, but, a fitting to a person who has had no lessons, or does not have a half decent repeatable swing, is virtually useless! therefore, the vast majority of people should learn to swing with standard clubs, with lessons, before contemplating a fitting! Once a half decent, almost repeatable swing is achieved, A good instructor would then be able to advise you on a fitting!

[mvmac]

so if pings static fitting says I should be blue, would it hurt to go neutral (black dot)? and then later in the spring get fitted for lie?

Go with blue dot then, you can always get them adjusted. I would err a little more upright.

I would do this first to double check.

http://thesandtrap.com/t/58023/custom-lie-for-irons#post_711765

and why would my lie make me a maroon dot, and I'm only 5'9"?

Same reason you're pulling balls and hitting it off the toe, you're swinging too much to the left. To hit the center of the face you will need to move the path more outward, get the sweetspot moving more to the right.

2 years ago when I was fitted there was tape that went on the bottom of the club and I hit balls off a plexiglass flat. the results of the tape If I can remember correctly was at the heal of the club, at this point the fitter changed the club so the tape showed more center contact on the board. so I was fitted for a more upright iron. this part of the fitting kind of sits suspect in the back of my mind, why? because since this fitting I have been hitting left shots that I think after a while make me hold the face open and then I get weak right shots. also since I got fitted off the lie board I have had to many shank type of shots but after trying to get my body rotating more I started to have toe shots. I can fix most of this by swinging flat with these irons.

Just double checking. Did you see the wear mark towards the toe or heel? Towards the toe indicates the player needs a more upright lie angle. Having said that I personally don't think it's the best way to dynamically check lie angle, drawing the line on the ball has worked best for me and was recommended by guys I trust.

[motsco]

Go with blue dot then, you can always get them adjusted. I would err a little more upright. I would do this first to double check. [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/t/58023/custom-lie-for-irons#post_711765]http://thesandtrap.com/t/58023/custom-lie-for-irons#post_711765[/URL] Same reason you're pulling balls and hitting it off the toe, you're swinging too much to the left. To hit the center of the face you will need to move the path more outward, get the sweetspot moving more to the right. Just double checking. Did you see the wear mark towards the toe or heel? Towards the toe indicates the player needs a more upright lie angle. Having said that I personally don't think it's the best way to dynamically check lie angle, drawing the line on the ball has worked best for me and was recommended by guys I trust.

mvmac you are correct I was hitting the board more towards the toe of the club, thanks for catching that. during the fitting we worked the line on the bottum of the club from the toe to close to center.

[JCamping]

I don't know your standard of golf, but, a fitting to a person who has had no lessons, or does not have a half decent repeatable swing, is virtually useless! therefore, the vast majority of people should learn to swing with standard clubs, with lessons, before contemplating a fitting! Once a half decent, almost repeatable swing is achieved, A good instructor would then be able to advise you on a fitting!

I would disagree.. What if the guy is tall.. Short.. Too many vaiables. Fittings are all important and so are lessons you need both.. Its the enjoyment too

[JCamping]

mvmac you are correct I was hitting the board more towards the toe of the club, thanks for catching that. during the fitting we worked the line on the bottum of the club from the toe to close to center.

if you have a coach that changes your posture..it would be good to go to the shop and recheck your lie.. Making sure its still center.. On lie.. Hitem straight!

[dwade247]

I'm not quite sure how I feel about dynamic fittings. I have been fit twice with a lie board and the first time I was fit at 2* upright and then the next time I was fit at 1* flat! Not very consistent! I'm not blaming the fitter either, I just don't have a repeatable swing yet. Therefore I don't see the point of a dynamic fitting till I do.

However I think that the static fitting info is important. I love PINGs online fitting system for that. I also use gigagolf for their fitting wizard. Just to compare the two. They are quite similar for me.

I think it is important to get close to the correct lie angle with a static fitting then tweak that as needed either because you develop a consistent swing or you have a dramatic posture that is severely upright or bent over.

Just my thoughts/experience

[JCamping]

I'm not quite sure how I feel about dynamic fittings. I have been fit twice with a lie board and the first time I was fit at 2* upright and then the next time I was fit at 1* flat! Not very consistent! I'm not blaming the fitter either, I just don't have a repeatable swing yet. Therefore I don't see the point of a dynamic fitting till I do. However I think that the static fitting info is important. I love PINGs online fitting system for that. I also use gigagolf for their fitting wizard. Just to compare the two. They are quite similar for me.  I think it is important to get close to the correct lie angle with a static fitting then tweak that as needed either because you develop a consistent swing or you have a dramatic posture that is severely upright or bent over.  Just my thoughts/experience

lie can change when you change our swing and ball address and posture.. Different manufactures have diff base standards..

[dwade247]

lie can change when you change our swing and ball address and posture.. Different manufactures have diff base standards..

Exactly. So what do you recommend a high handicap golfer with an ever changing swing should do about fitting? Do you like dynamic fittings for such golfers or do you think stat is good? I am guessing you get dynamically fit at a 1?

[No Mulligans]

Exactly. So what do you recommend a high handicap golfer with an ever changing swing should do about fitting? Do you like dynamic fittings for such golfers or do you think stat is good? I am guessing you get dynamically fit at a 1?

+1

My recent evolver lesson has me standing an inch closer to the ball, extending my legs quicker after contact, and having my hands feeling like their moving towards the target longer after contact of the ball.  My previous lesson was on Key #3, inline impact.  Before that I was working on bumping my hips a bit foward at address and making a more full turn on my backswing.

Before evolver my instructor had me bend a bit more at the waist at address.

It seems everyone of those things change either or both clubhead spead and lie angle at impact.

Do I need to get refitted every few weeks?

[JCamping]

+1 My recent evolver lesson has me standing an inch closer to the ball, extending my legs quicker after contact, and having my hands feeling like their moving towards the target longer after contact of the ball.  My previous lesson was on Key #3, inline impact.  Before that I was working on bumping my hips a bit foward at address and making a more full turn on my backswing. Before evolver my instructor had me bend a bit more at the waist at address. It seems everyone of those things change either or both clubhead spead and lie angle at impact. Do I need to get refitted every few weeks?

check lie sometimes w major changes.. You don't need to get refitted.. U can do this on your own Lil electric tape.. And hard plastic surface.. Go to local Golfsmith ..or someplace they don't mind letting you work on your stuff.. If you know ur flat.. You know a good shot if trying to achieve a straight ball path will have a tendency to move in a face ball spin.. As upright a draw bias.. As long as you know this you'll b fine and wen ready bend ur clubs.. Or flat clubs will be mor difficult to draw a shot .. Or upright more difficult to fade.. For this reason forge clubs are great because they can be bent as neeeded.. No need to get refitted.. Initual fitting.is good and when something else more permanent changes happen recheck ur lies.. No need major refit.

[JCamping]

Exactly. So what do you recommend a high handicap golfer with an ever changing swing should do about fitting? Do you like dynamic fittings for such golfers or do you think stat is good? I am guessing you get dynamically fit at a 1?

get fitted w what your swing is now.. And wen the sing changes recheck ur fittings.. Don't like static..unless you just don't mind.. But if you going to purchase a nice forge set of calleways apex get fitted..can only help.. Its great sport all levels.. Same goes fitting all levels and calibers..