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Looking for some advice on iron selection, currently playing with Cleveland CG2 Irons, but the ball flight is just ballooning up want to change irons to something with more low penetrating ball flight, considering something along the lines or mizuno mp-60, cleveland cg red, titleist 775, srixon i-506, anyone help or advise?

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maybe its just the shafts?

In my wasabe green ozone bag:

Hibore 9.5° w/ UST V2 Stiff Shaft Driver

G10 15° 1H w/ UST V2 Stiff Shaft G10 18° 2H w/ UST V2 Stiff Shaft T-Zoid Pro 3-PW S300 CG10 52° 2 Dot Black Pearl CG10 56° 2 Dot Black Pearl Newport 2 TerylliumLow Score = 88


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Hey man, have you seen video/pics of your impact position?

I only ask, cause I was really struggling with HIGH trajectory issues, and I broke down and got filmed in a lesson. I was really cupping my lead wrist at impact, and now am working it out. . . slowly.

You are probably fine, I just thought I mention. I play Ping i5 white dots. Nothing special in the shafts- standard with the i5's i think. Average about 155 yds with 8i.

Hope that's helpful.

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Playing with S300 Shafts, im guessing that your suggesting the shaft flex should be stiffer?

I think he's referring to the kick point in your shafts. It may be too low.

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Looking for some advice on iron selection, currently playing with Cleveland CG2 Irons, but the ball flight is just ballooning up want to change irons to something with more low penetrating ball flight, considering something along the lines or mizuno mp-60, cleveland cg red, titleist 775, srixon i-506, anyone help or advise?

I don't think any of the clubs you've listed would give you a lower ball flight than the CG2. The CG2 is more of a players cavity than everything listed here, other than the MP-60, which should be very similar. 775 is a GI iron, the 506 is probably in between, and the CG Red is really just the replacement model for what you have. You should be able to control trajectory fairly well with what you have now. If anything, as mentioned earlier, try a different shaft? Or you could go to a blade, like the MP-32, MP-67, or 695MB.
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If you are ballooning these with DG S300s then it's probably either the shafts (x100 or PX 6.5 upgrade) or more likely, you've developed a flip. How far do you carry a 7 iron?

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Maybe a session on a launch monitor will help with an insight into what setup is required. I had my MP-67's customed at a Mizuno fitting centre. Spec recommended was 2 degree strong lofts and X100 shafts. Apparently I have a high launch angle. I used to balloon the ball with my old irons (MP-33's with standard lofts and S300 shafts). A proper fitting session on the launch monitor has to be recommended. I would never have guessed the specs of my current clubs and the finished article works great for me.

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Thanks alot guys for the replys :) was half expecting to be ignored cause im just a newbie good bunch o folk :)

Dont know if any o this information will help ball flight tends to be straight on 6-PW and a 5 yard fade on 3-5 Irons, 7 Iron carry is about 165-175, im of medium height and larger than average muscular build only have about 85% swing never complete full swing plane

So hard to get video'd locally, might try take a video and load it up maybe you guys can see what my problem is hope ive not developed a flip been working on my swing for years not that its getting me anywhere haha

Someone suggested trying X Shaft, Rifle etc etc and seeing how the ball flight changes so might try this first and see if it is shaft stiffness or kick point

Really considering going for a new set of irons and just get fully fitted maybe try get me down to single low figures in the coming seasons.

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