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which one is best for both distance and spin? which would you choose out of these and why?

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blacks---give a lil more spin, but i found the red to give more distance...just me, eithe ball will work very well for you tho.

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the tayormade TP balls are better than pro v1 according to the guy who made them (he also made the pro v1 so he should know) which is why i have considered switching to them .

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I use the TP Red. Switched from the HX tour 56. I find that the red is softer and spins more around the greens then the black. I get similar distance off the tee with both. The black has a definite "click" off the driver which makes it feel a little firmer.
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Big Bertha (2004) 15*, 19*Hybrid:Big Bertha Heavenwood 23*Irons: 4-6 710 CB, 7-PW 710 MBWedges:655TM Fluid Forged Wedge (55/11*) CG 12 DSG 60/3*Putter: Tour Platinum 7801Ball: TP Black LDP
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Driver
909D2 9.5º w/ Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum Stiff

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It works just like Pro v1/v1x. pro V1 is a lil bit shorter, but it has a better feel.

In my bag:

Titleist 905 Aldila VS Proto| TaylorMade r9 stiff shaft| Titleist 906F Aldila NV 75-S Fairway| Titleist ZM S300 (3-PW) |Titleist 54º SM TT Wedge Flex| Titleist 60º SM TT Wedge Flex| Scotty Cameron Newport 2

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actually, I think they usually recommend Black if you tend to slice the ball.
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I have purchased a dozen of each in the past 2 weekends. I have a 6 handicap and to tell you the truth I could not find much difference. The black may have a little firmer "click" off of the clubs, but if they did not say "red" vs. "black" and have different colored numbers I might not be able to tell them apart. And right now they are on sale just about everywhere for $29.99 a dozen and for that price I will stock up on both. I just switched from Taylor Made irons and driver, but the TP golf ball is really nice. And other than being a little beat up cosmectically I was able to play 18 holes with each ball.

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currently i play the black and love it but like most ppl said there is a minimal difference between both performance wise. a pro gave me a burner ball before the season ended here and i love that ball...the burner is supposed to replace both the red and black.

driver: Burner TP 9.5 S
FWY Wood: 906F2 15.5*
hybrid: Idea Pro 18*
irons: MP-57 3-W
Wedges: X-Forged 56, 60 Putter: Anser Redwood Putter Black Series i #9


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I roll with Black - less spin. If you strike the ball well these are the business. Won't see much difference between them unless you make good connection - the Red will spin more around the greens (and off the driver face:P)

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