Controlling length of backswing

[BaldTexan]

What feel do you pros and low handicappers use to transition from the backswing to the forward swing?

Without mentioning names  the same instructor's posted videos which seemed he suggested two ways to start the downswing which are at odds to each other the way I understand it.

In one he talks about dropping the arms first then firing the hips which is to help keep from getting the hands to far behind, and thus stuck, causing a flip motion.

In a later video he talks about controlling the length of the backswing with when you start the lower body moving forward.  This allows a a continuous motion rather than a pause or trying to control the length of the backswing by restricting the hips and using the postion of the hands to control the length.

So which feel do the good, pros and + handicappers use the most to control the length of the backswing.  Body position or timing the start of forward motion with the lower body?

[saevel25]

50 minutes ago, BaldTexan said:

What feel do you pros and low handicappers use to transition from the backswing to the forward swing?

It depends on the golfer. One feel for one golfer might not work or it might even produce a negative effect for another golfer.

50 minutes ago, BaldTexan said:

In one he talks about dropping the arms first then firing the hips which is to help keep from getting the hands to far behind, and thus stuck, causing a flip motion.

In a later video he talks about controlling the length of the backswing with when you start the lower body moving forward.  This allows a a continuous motion rather than a pause or trying to control the length of the backswing by restricting the hips and using the postion of the hands to control the length.

Is he talking feels or what actually happens? If he is talking feels then it doesn't matter. Some might need to feel a pause. Some might need to feel the hands are dropping fast. Some might need to feel the hips bump or pressure added to the lead foot. It just depends.

The kinematic sequence of the golf swing is such that the rotation of the hips starts towards the target before the rest of the body starts to rotate.

53 minutes ago, BaldTexan said:

So which feel do the good, pros and + handicappers use the most to control the length of the backswing.  Body position or timing the start of forward motion with the lower body?

Length of the back swing depends on how the club moves in relation to the hands and arms and how that is linked with your turn rates.

Compare a swing like Rickey Fowler to Jack Nicklaus. Ricky would be hard pressed to get the club to tip past parallel because he gains a lot of depth with his hands and the club is more laid off at the top.

Jack takes the clubhead more inside earlier in the backswing his club tends to point to right field with his signature flared right elbow at the top of the swing. This position would allow him to overswing much easier since all he would have to do is tip the club down more with the wrists, think Bubba Watson.

 

 

 

 

[BaldTexan]

I get that the lower body needs to start the transition.  It is difficult for me to start the hips forward while the upper body is moving in another direction.

I will work on starting my hips a bit earlier than normal to try and get the continuous swing motion working.

No, he wasn't talking about feel.  I used the word because a lot of the motion in a golf swing is "feel" instead of real.

[saevel25]

7 minutes ago, BaldTexan said:

I get that the lower body needs to start the transition.  It is difficult for me to start the hips forward while the upper body is moving in another direction.

I am not sure that is necessarily how it works for all golfers. I am sure you have golfers who do this much more than others. 

 

Look at McDowell above. He has very little to no hip movement as the shoulders and arms are still moving. There is a little bit, but not as much as some other golfers. 

11 minutes ago, BaldTexan said:

I will work on starting my hips a bit earlier than normal to try and get the continuous swing motion working.

No, he wasn't talking about feel.  I used the word because a lot of the motion in a golf swing is "feel" instead of real.

It might something else that is causing you to struggle. If you don't maintain a good center pivot it can hurt how you turn. 

I would create your own My Swing thread and post a face on view of your swing. No way to tell what is going on with out seeing the swing.