Power accumulator #4

[RBA21]

I'm sure this question has been asked (or at least talked about) somewhere on this forum, but I couldn't find it. So, here are my questions:

1) If one wanted to speed up power accumulator #4 (or #1 for that matter) what are some drills to help accomplish this?

2) At what part of the downswing would this be ideal?

3) Would having a later release of these two increase or decrease power? 

4) If using #1 to achieve #4 (or vice versa), how do you keep the right elbow close to the body? Less lateral move? More internal rotation of the right arm?

5) What role do the shoulders play in this? Does getting the left shoulder more forward and down (or getting back into flexion or more forward tilt) help with any of this? 

Most Tour players I see seem to release 4 quite well. However, Sam Snead seemed to do this later in the swing. What are the pros and cons of releasing #1 and #4 early or late in the downswing and what would be considered ideal?  

Thanks  

[iacas]

I hope you can appreciate that I'm not trying to duck the questions or anything like that. For a lot of these types of questions, it becomes a matter of "it depends" or "yes that can help until you do it too much/too late/too early/too little/at the expense of this other thing/etc.".

That all said…

  On 2/8/2017 at 5:55 PM, RBA21 said:

1) If one wanted to speed up power accumulator #4 (or #1 for that matter) what are some drills to help accomplish this?

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• Just move them faster.
• Isolate by doing a pump drill.
• Use rubber bands at the top of a door frame and work on pulling those forward/down.

I usually like to go with the second one.

  On 2/8/2017 at 5:55 PM, RBA21 said:

2) At what part of the downswing would this be ideal?

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No way to really answer that one. Most people need to do it "sooner." But obviously you can do it "too soon."

Generally speaking, 4 comes first - the left arm comes down as the right elbow slides in front of the rib cage slightly. But virtually nobody starts 1 before 4…

  On 2/8/2017 at 5:55 PM, RBA21 said:

3) Would having a later release of these two increase or decrease power?

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Too early and you decrease power (because the right elbow has fully extended before impact), and too late and you decrease power (the right elbow is still too bent and so you haven't gotten as much of the power out of it that you could have).

  On 2/8/2017 at 5:55 PM, RBA21 said:

4) If using #1 to achieve #4 (or vice versa), how do you keep the right elbow close to the body? Less lateral move? More internal rotation of the right arm?

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You don't use #1 to achieve #4.

Both have to do their actions themselves. You don't move your left arm across your chest by pushing the grip with your right hand.

  On 2/8/2017 at 5:55 PM, RBA21 said:

5) What role do the shoulders play in this? Does getting the left shoulder more forward and down (or getting back into flexion or more forward tilt) help with any of this?

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Again, one of the types of questions you can't answer generally, because people do it differently. If the left shoulder stays down too long you can increase the AoA too much.

Again, these sequencing types of questions involve way too many pieces to really be able to talk about them in isolation, and if you try to talk about them with everything involved… you've got a book.

  On 2/8/2017 at 5:55 PM, RBA21 said:

Most Tour players I see seem to release 4 quite well. However, Sam Snead seemed to do this later in the swing. What are the pros and cons of releasing #1 and #4 early or late in the downswing and what would be considered ideal?

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Early and late are relative. But as you note, you can have success doing either.

[RBA21]

Thanks iacas. I really like the pull down exercise with a cable. I've done before but obviously need to get back to it. For whatever reason, when I do the pump drill my left should still wants to work up too soon (maybe its due to not getting back into flexion or having too much lateral move with the lower body....i dont know???).

 As for all the other questions, i know its hard to get an exact answer because everyone is different. I think for "me" feeling like i get back into flexion on the DS, left shoulder a little more forward/down and speeding up #4 should help. 

I posted a new FO vid to "member swings" hitting a PW. Seems to be getting a little better working on the above.

[iacas]

  On 2/8/2017 at 7:41 PM, RBA21 said:

Thanks iacas. I really like the pull down exercise with a cable. I've done before but obviously need to get back to it. For whatever reason, when I do the pump drill my left should still wants to work up too soon (maybe its due to not getting back into flexion or having too much lateral move with the lower body....i dont know???).

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So… just keep the left shoulder in place and pull down with the left arm.

I haven't seen your swing in slow motion but you seem to be worried about "getting back into flexion" a bit more than you maybe should. Tough to say with 30 FPS video, though.