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1. I think "slow play" wins as this forum's # 1 pet peeve, hands down. And I'll have to agree wholeheartedly. I don't even care if you're playing from the tips as a 15 handicap. You should still be able to play in 4 hours or less (and that's a foursome). Just don't re-tee every time you hit a bad shot....grab your crap and get moving....no excuse for a round longer than 4:30, period.

For those that haven'tyet done so, http://thesandtrap.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5515 is the slow play promise & petition. You should sign it if you haven't already!

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Overgrown trees that change the shot-value of the hole - whether on the tee or through the green.

Slow players that don't recognize that our group is getting behind. It makes me play faster than I want to, and I'm not the reason we're slow.

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i do hate being behind a slow group, because that makes you want to play as fast as you can so that you can stay on their butts, and they might let you play through. Then when they do, they watch you tee off, and you feel like you have to hit a perfect drive so they can actually feel like they let a player play through who is actually decent.

Also, i hate ball marks, unraked bunkers, and holes that you just cant find the fairway on.

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You shouldn't be hitting from the tips unless you are a single digit handicapper, 10-18 from the middle tees and above 18-20 should play from the forward tees, in my opinion.

This is not necessarily true. There are plenty of 10-15 handicappers that can absolutely crush the ball and be pretty good with their irons. Their problems come once they are on the green. Or, from personal experience, just can't chip to save their life.

Like a lot of things in life, it's not where you start but how you finish.

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I would say slow play is frustrating, but the problem may be 4 or 5 groups ahead of you that are slowing play, or it may just be a busy day on the course. I have come to the conclusion that on a beautiful Satuday, chances are I am going to be having to wait on a few holes, and if I don't start early enough I may not make it through 18 before it gets too dark. But, I will say that I was incredibly upset a few months ago when a group of three jumped ahead three holes in-front of our foursome because they were sick of waiting on the group that was in-front of them. We then had to wait on them the remainder of the day. We informed a marshal and they only got a "warning".

Honestly I would have to say my biggest pet peeve are arrogant golfers. Some people play golf because they enjoy getting outside and chasing a little white ball around a golf course, they may not be able to crush the ball 300+ yards down the fairway, they may struggle keeping it on the fairway or even breaking 100, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to play. We all had to start somewhere and I can't imagine anyone (with the exception of Mr. Woods) started out as an incredible golfer.

Just my $.02.

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hi,
say, i can relate to a golfer with poor attitude in 4some. yeah, we all get upset, but, suck it up...don't ruin the round for everyone else. keep some perspective.
byron70

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My biggest pet peeve is people playing from tee boxes that too far back for their skills. I feel/think/believe that the tee markers should be based on handicap, not age or sex. Weekend golfers would play faster and enjoy their game more if they would move up one tee box. Weekender's from the blues/blacks/tips (whatever color your course uses) that have to literally crush their drive to get to the fairway and then mash their three wood to barely get to the 150 yard marker for their third shot are only slowing everyone else down.

hey jarhead,

nice post. a lot of merit here. However, what if u have a foursome with varying skill levels? byron70

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Surprised no one commented on this. Just stick a tee in the ground and set the grip on the tee. Problem solved.

thanks Hmbre97. I'll try it.

byron70

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I honestly don't mid playing behind slow people. To me by playing golf you are trying to relax outside, but getting all worked up about slow golfers just goes against this.

For me its gotta be snobby, arogant and rude golfers. I'm not trying to sterotype but it tends to be rich people. There is a nice course my High School team played at ($100 ish per round) and the people were so arogant. They wern't going to let us in the clubhouse to go to the bathroom. People like this need to calm down, realize that thew whole world doesn't revolve around them and have a little fun.

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I hate living in South Florida and not being able to walk the course even if willing to pay the cart fee

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