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On your first comment about being paid I noted in my post - " Caddies are employed by professional golfers. They work specifically for one player. They make there money by a combination of a monthly stipend and a percentage of the player's winnings." On your second comment you are correct it was very poorly worded. I should not have said directly from in my comment - " His earnings for the week comes directly from the sponsor via his player's winnings for the week" . The caddie's earnings do not come directly from the sponsor but in fact the sponsor pays the player and the caddie earn's a percentage from the player. While there is no direct fund flow from the tournament I would suggest that the player is using the funds in his account to pay the caddie and part of those funds do in fact come from tournament winnings and others would be from endorsements. Therefore tournament pays player who then pays caddie.

The bib has the name of the title sponsor. The title sponsor paid millions and millions of dollars to become the title sponsor. The sponsors do so because they expect to get lots of exposure for their company. The money is used for - tournament purses, pay operating expenses of the tournament, donations to charities. Professional tour players enter the tournaments. This is how they earn their living. They only make money from the tournament if they make that cut and the amount of money they make depends on how high they finish. Other than no cut tournament like the WGC, not every player will make any money. This is the way professional golf works. Caddies are employed by professional golfers. They work specifically for one player. They make there money by a combination of a monthly stipend and a percentage of the player's winnings. "The caddy is performing a revenue generating act for the sponsor and not getting compensated for it." Player enters tournament. As part of the requirements of entering the tournament his caddie must wear a bib with the tournament sponsor on it. Player makes his money by entering tournaments and winning a part of the tournament purse paid for by the title sponsor. His caddie make a percentage of the player's winnings. The nature of the professional golf business is that both the player and his caddie only make money if the player makes the cut. Also the amount of earnings is dependent on how high the player finishes. To me there is a direct relationship from the tournament sponsor to the caddie. His earnings for the week comes directly from the sponsor via his player's winnings for the week. Am I missing something? "I would like to see what happened if enough Tour players, including the top stars, supported their caddy by saying, "My caddy isn't going to wear a General Widgets bib in this tournament," and stuck to it." Players and their caddies are free not to enter any tournament they do not want to but if they do not enter any tournaments then they and their caddies wont make any money (other then direct endorsements). Again what am I missing?

My too. I try to reuse the same score card for at least 5 rounds. Helps me to see my current trends for each hole. I also use a small leather score card holder so the cards do not get too wrinkled.

85 and 81 on the weekend (net 73 and 69). No birdies in either round. We are playing "winter rules" ie. lift and clean ball and drop within 1 club length all throughout the course except in hazards. Definitely an advantage of probably two or more strokes I feel. No actual impact on my "real" handicap as for Nov 15 to Mar 1 our posted rounds do not count toward the in season handicap.

Since this came onto the news I have been paying attention to what is actually on the caddies bibs. On all the tournaments I have seen so far it is the title sponsor. Caddies work for the player. The player must adhere to the requirements set forth by the PGA and the tournament they are playing in. It is a reasonable expectation that the bibs worn by the caddies would have the title sponsor on them. After all it is a business and the sponsors pay millions in order to get the advertising out and part of that is having their corporate logo on the caddies bibs. "First of all, wearing an advertising bib is NOT part of a caddy's job." - It is part of their job if it is a requirement of the tournament that the player is playing in. If the caddy does not want to put the bib on then don't caddy for any of the players in the tournament. "Caddies work for their player, not the PGA Tour or the week's corporate sponsor. The caddy didn't sign on with a player to be a billboard for a company that has no business relationship with the player." - You are correct the caddies work for the player. However the player must adhere to the rules of the tournament and part of that is having their caddies wear a bib with the corporate sponsor on it. While neither the player nor the caddies work directly for the corporate sponsor, they do make money from them in the form of winnings. Caddies earn a share of the player's winnings. Where do you think the tournament purse comes from? "And look at the players. They advertise. Players have logos all over their shirts. Some of them almost look like a NASCAR vehicle, and get paid huge bucks for each one." - If the caddies negotiate it into their contract with the player they can have their own sponsors. I believe Steve Williams had sponsors. Other than a few notable caddies like Steve Williams and Fluff, most caddies do not have any presence. I have no idea who Rory's caddie is and he is the caddie to the number 1 player in the world. "If they can be compensated, why should caddies be forced to advertise and GET NOTHING FOR IT?" - Again the caddies are being compensated. Companies pay millions to be tournament sponsors, they expect to be on the bibs are part of what they received in advertising, players enter tournament and the winning come from tournament sponsors, caddies are paid a share of the players' winners which again COMES FROM TOURNAMENT SPONSORS and THOSE TOURNAMENT SPONSORS EXPECT CADDIES WEAR THE BIBS AS PART OF THE ADVERTISING THEY GET FOR PAYING $$$$$$$$ TO BE THE TOURNAMENT SPONSORS. Caddies have ZERO merit in this lawsuit as far as I am concerned. If they don't like it then quit and go flip burgers for a living.

Seems to me the logo on the bibs are tournament sponsors and the pro's are bound to adhere to the sponsors requirements as part of their entry into the tournaments? This is between the pro and the caddy. If it is the pro's job to play in a tournament and it is the caddy's job to carry the bag for the pro in that tournament. The caddy would be required to wear what ever his employer (the pro) is required to as part of playing in the tournament. It is not the PGA's issue.

+1 Used to get quite upset and have been known to throw a few clubs until I played with a business associate who after a wild drive threw his club backhanded and almost hit the three of us. After noting how uncomfortable the round was after that I have not thrown another club in anger.

Sorry about that .......... Guess I shouldn't point out the mowers were out on the fairways as you could see in the first picture. It's kinda like using a snow blower. Again sorry about that .......... eh.

I checked for 2 per week as an average over the year. In the summer my record is over 14 days in a row.

Just jumping back onto this old thread because one of the golfers that I would describe as a TRUE phenom has just become the worlds #1 professional ladies golfer at the age of 17. Not saying Valeria Pacheco can't do the same but she will need to improve a lot in the next three to four years ..........

Thought that was the forecast for Vancouver. Beautiful day for golf.

No its the Vancouver Golf Club. 1st hole. The course is actually located in Coquitlam, a suburb of Vancouver. We are hosting the 2015 LPGA CP Canadian Women's Open. A video flyover of all the holes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi2XNNG5_r4#t=35

It is a warm beautiful day here in Vancouver. Plan on playing at 2:00pm. Should be around 60 degrees. Will post pictures from today. Sorry eh ................

OK tempting fate here with this reply because the last time I did this we got a big dump of snow in the following week. Karma .... she is a bitch. Took off early from the office yesterday to get 9 holes in. Temperature was 17C or approx 66F here in greater Vancouver. Sorry .............

Very simple ..... get to a single digit handicap. Jan 2014 I was a 16.6 index. Finished in Dec 2014 as a 10.7 index. I know it is not going to be easy to drop into the single digits but I am game.

I currently own several sets of irons and woods: Hogan Apex 3 - PW irons - I will probably never use them on a regular basis again as they are blades but I doubt anyone else would want to rent them TaylorMade Burner 2.0 irons 4 - AW - will rent out TaylorMade CBG R7 irons 4 - AW - will rent out TaylorMade R9 4 - PW irons 4 - AW - will rent out Ping G25 4 - AW - will rent out Mizuno MX23 - currently in play will not rent out Cleveland CG Black drivers (9 and 10.5 degrees), 3 wood - will rent out Ping G5 10.5 driver, 3 wood and 5 wood - will rent out TaylorMade R9 10.5 driver, 3 wood and 5 wood - will rent out TaylorMade RBZ 10.5 driver - will rent out (will give away!) TaylorMade Burner Superfast 3 and 5 wood - will rent out Ping G15 10.5 driver and 4 wood - currently play will not rent out I also have many wedges, hybrids and putters - too many to list out. Frankly though I doubt any of the clubs would ever rent for enough money to justify the trouble. The only clubs that are of any real value trade in value are the Ping G25 irons.

I have played the ASU course at least 1/2 dozen times. It is a great course. The proshop has lots of great ASU stuff. Don't know how true this is but I have heard that ASU is planning on closing the course.

Love the look of the Ben Hogan irons. Really like the idea of using degrees of loft instead of a number on the irons. The way TaylorMade and other mess around with the loft of the clubs the numbers are meaningless anyways. I can just dream that they will make them for lefties.

I only played two of the three 9's and to be honest I don't remember which two but I think it was Desperado and Diablo. We played there on the recommendation of a friend who lives in LV who is a very good golfer. The third nine is Outlaw. I erred in my original review that I liked all three 9's better at Badlands as I only have real life experience on two of them. I have played the Mountain Course a lot more than the Palm Course at Angel Park. I found the Mountain Course to be more challenging than the Palm Course. Except the Palm Course seemed to have more water. I am usually in LV in the fall so I usually play which ever course has recovered better from over-seeding. IMHO both courses' driving ranges sucked. Badlands is more of a typical desert target styled course than either courses at Angel Park. I am usually a straight and accurate (but relative short) driver so target golf does not bother me. I think that for someone who is a bit wilder they may not like Badlands as much. To me the fairways were more generous at either of the Angel Park courses vs. Badland's two nines. I may have just played Angel Park too much to appreciate it. This is not PC but there are two young ladies that work in the proshop at Angel Park ........ very easy on the eyes.

I used to play Angel Park everytime I go to Vegas. Now I play Badlands Golf Course which is nearby Angel Park. http://badlandsgc.com/ IMHO badlands all three 9 holes are better than the Mountain Course at Angel Park. But the staff at Angel Park are a lot better.

I have been a member at a private club for at least 13 years. For those that have not joined a club the number one reason for not wanting to join (other than monetary reasons) is that they will get bored playing the same course. It is important that you chose the right course. If you like to play lots of terrain then don't chose a flat course. If you like a forested course then don't chose a links style course. etc etc. It is very important to chose a course that you like to play. Also just because you belong to a club it doesn't mean you cannot play at another course. Most private clubs have reciprocal rights to other clubs in different cities or even within the same city. Even if a club is not listed as a reciprocal one, I have found that you can usually get on as a guest at another private club. Let the club pro make the bookings. I played about 110 rounds last year and of that at least 30 were away from my home course.

Another course on the eastside is We-Ko-Pa Golf Club. There are two golf courses there. I have only played the Cholla course. From what I understand the Cholla course is a desert target style course which I can confirm. The Saguaro course is supposed to be more traditional and not a target style course.

I use GN when I go to an area that I am not familiar with. I didn't mind paying their old booking fees for the first 10 bookings as I usually book more than 10 time a year. I also like the reviews and got comfortable with the way they list out the courses. Once I get to know the area I tend to book directly with the courses. I find that I can usually get rates that are equal to or at least within $5 of the GN rates when I book directly. Not sure what I am going to do now that the booking costs are higher with no top out at 10 bookings. Seems strange to me that they did go to graduated rates so that even though they remove the no fees level, they could offer a fee structure that gets lower the more times you book. For the heavy bookers like David they could still offer a no fee structure at a higher level. As David pointed out over the course of a year the fees could add up to over $1,000. Also $2.49 fee per player seems excessive. Obviously they will find that our when their customer base drops. I looked at the other golf booking site mentioned and GN still has the most complete listings for the area that I frequent Phoenix.

Yes, Yes and Yes. I am fortunate in that I have a regular stroke play game with one of the members in my group. He plays to a 9 handicap. We don't play for a lot of money usually just lunch after the round. We have a habit of keeping each other's score and we only take gimmes that are very close and not on a slope.

You have listed 3 of my go to courses in Phoenix. If you like Quintero, then you may want to consider Dinosaur Mountain course at Gold Canyon Resort. Do not play the Sidewinder course there but the Dinosaur Mountain course is fantastic. The resort is in the southeast corner of Phoenix so it is closer to Scottsdale than Quintero and it is about 1/3 less cost. Also don't be fooled by the hokie entrance to the golf resort (think big white sign in shape of golf ball). The golf course is 180 degree the opposite of the golf resort decor. I almost made the mistake of turning around the first time I played there. We immediately played there again the next day. It would be a good prank if the others in your group don't know this in advance. As for discounts, I have found some success in talking to the pros at the courses directly. They may see a few days with less bookings and offer up some discounts. As you are play on a weekend in February is it highly unlikely that you will find any deals at TPC.