Golfer2223

Thank you for the excellent responses.

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Kasich really is the turd in the pool at this point.

I have a 60 degree wedge that I would like to use through this season. It's a replaceable face Taylor Made xtf conforming (not Z nonconforming grooves). There is literally nowhere to buy the replaceable faces anymore, they have become like rare gold on ebay. Anyway my grooves are okay but the bottom of the face plate where it connects to the head is becoming cracked, forming a quasi groove. Is this club now illegal by USGA rules because of the fracture? I don't think this created groove comes into play on normal shots, though it may be deep enough to impact something, though not noticeably. Is this conforming if I were to play in a tour qualifier or tour event?

Let me go further and simplify more as I'm really starting to digest this swing. Yes feel free to experiment with advice and be cautious and verify as you will. If you're open to experimenting you can always play around with things and see how it feels, throwing out what you may. Again you have a great swing so take this analysis I'm about to make as simply a hypothetical towards better golf. It's possible tindalla your swing is perfect and the best it can be, obviously looking at fred couples swing there is plenty to play around with, but it doesn't need any tweaking. Golf is very mental. That said most pro golfers take the club back on plane or outside the plane slightly, though there are many exceptions (Sergio). In your swing you clearly get a little below the standard plane, or flat, then it sets nicely at the top. On the through swing the club is pretty much on plane maybe a little outside the backswing plane. Many pros do this move also, although it is commonly taught to take the club back on a more outside plane than you bring it down (Scott). So you can always play with that. I just noticed somewhat of a lack of compression so I feel like getting taller may tweak the backswing plane more out and flatten the downswing plane slightly and give you some extra leverage. That's what I see between you and Rory is a difference in club leverage. On your thru swing the club kind of cuts under the ball slightly instead of coming over it. Most great golfers almost seem to slam down on the ball with assertion, even if they are ascending through impact with driver***. This is a funny concept but i believe it's the piece you might be looking for. Think of Rory hitting a drive, his club is coming down towards the ball, then it starts to flatten out and ascend into the ball, but what are Rory's hands and body doing? His hands are driving DOWN, not around or underneath. The hips and shoulders angle upwards slightly to get the club ascending, but the hands are always driving through. I feel that your hands might not be driving through as aggressively. Getting the club a little flatter on the thru swing will definitely make that happen, the question is how to get there if you go down that road. So simply put I think you may want to try standing a little taller and allowing the club to go straighter back. This might give you a flatter descent and put you more on top of the shot like Rory. Just my thoughts after watching your swing several times. If you post more videos or try this out we can see a difference and go from there. The more established members can always see if it looks better from there as well. Just a thought. last thought on posture: mcmac is right that it looks good, maybe i am nit picking. That is a better posture than most golfers but I see a lot of great postures. you lean into the ball a bit with your shoulders and it puts some bend in your back, as well as a very very slight reaching out of the arms. Either way sitting or leaning you could try getting a little taller. Lifting your head slightly might achieve some of this new feel. I would narrow the stance a little first and then try to keep the back and shoulders taller. Try it, you might like it. Just trying to be of help, again i think you have to try things out and see what fits. If you try it and you find you need some lean or taking the club back a little flat to get full power and feel then stick with that. World class golfers do these things, sometimes the muscles work together better from different positions. I always find the more moves i try the more sure i become of what works. Personally i have a slightly upright setup, and if i bend at the hips more it i don't hit it nearly as well. But i wouldn't know unless i tried. Now i can be confident in my "wrong" setup!

No problem. Let me be clear, I don't think you should be moving the ball away from you. Now that I see your iron swing it is just the opposite, you should be taller at setup and the ball should be closer. I was saying before with driver you should move the ball back, and essentially you would have to back up to realign. That's irrelevant now as the real issue is more pronounced with irons, it was harder to see in your driver swing. Seeing your swing close up now it's obvious your issue is simply a kind of "slapping at the ball" action. Again a great swing. You're close to fine, but being hunched and far from the ball is causing your club to cut under the ball a bit. You're not getting as many grooves into impact as you can, and not maximizing compression. Just stand taller and get the ball a little closer, try to get more of a compression shot rather than an undercutting. You should feel it right away. Look at the picture comparing you and Rory at impact. It really sticks out there. See how he is basically on top of the club. You aren't on top of the club enough and you are kind of sitting back like in a chair position. This is an easy fix, you'll probably see improvement immediately. Gotta get out of the chair position into a more athletic standing position and get on top of impact more. Regarding what you said about the setup: You do have the ball too far forward now. As you say you corrected having too much shaft lean at set up. You need to put the ball back to the middle of your stance more, but without the shaft lean. This is what I was getting at before, you can have the ball in the middle, without the shaft being overly forward. You will have to relax your left arm and keep the shoulders square, not open. As I said before, a slight open club face is great too. Regarding the weight distribution: You are feeling on your toes because of the posture issue I mentioned. You're in a sitting position and need to get more of a standing and solid position. Because you're sitting you may have been going to your toes to compensate, and now being on your heels feels more balanced, but you're not getting enough compression either way as we see in the impact photo. Really being on the balls of the feet should be the only comfortable position you can make a swing in, in which you are balanced to a full finish. It shouldn't take much experimenting, if you have the right posture, the most balanced position where you aren't falling in either direction is on the balls of the feet. Closing your eyes can help to get balanced. Feel like the club is hanging into the ground. Not reaching out to the ball. Kuchar basically hangs over the ball at address. The posture fix and ball position fix will give you a lot of improvement especially in regards to compression. Look forward to seeing how it looks.

Looking at the swing again it's clear your arms are making the swing happen. Gotta get the body involved from the ground up. Try to take very short swings, and get power into it. You need to get the body moving a lot more and the arms moving a lot less. The goal is the have everything moving together. So basically if you swing properly you won't be able to get your arms that far away from you. Then when hit through the ball you won't flip your wrist because the body will be engaged. Before I said your left shoulder and that still applies, your core needs to get involved and the left shoulder needs to rotate the left arm going back. What I'm adding now is that you need to practice a much shorter move in which the feet and legs propel the shoulders and the arms do not move much. I don't think this is confusing.

Great swing. I don't see any swing plane issue. Shanking usually occurs when golfers throw the hands out to the ball instead of bringing the hands in. In your case I think it's a ball position issue causing the club to be outside the ball. It seems like your arms are aimed slightly to the right of your feet, and the club is set closed to the target line. This tells me your ball position is too far forward. Nicklaus said all very good golfers set the club slightly open behind the ball, because that will allow it to be square at impact without manipulation. Try moving the ball back, and setting the club slightly open to the target line. Then adjust your body properly (by moving away from the ball slightly) getting your arms lined up with your feet. Now your hands will be set more inside the ball and you can swing freely without the heel of the club ever getting near the ball. When you have the ball too far forward and the club is closed to the target line, it causes the club to come outside the ball relative to the target line, where you never want it to be. Also when you fix this ball position issue and set the club properly you may feel the ball is a little closer to you, because it will be closer to your eye line, but really it is now further from you, making it much harder for you to shank it. This should really compliment what you're working on with the hips. The best way to cure a shank is to put an object outside of the ball and avoid hitting it. I would fix the ball position issue first and then see if you need the aid to break the habit.

Oh sorry missed that. Looks like in a 8/10 condition the retail on 710s are average 375us, 712s are 575, and 714s are 700. So according to price there is not much difference between 712s and 714s. I have hit the 712s and they were great, 714s I have been told are an upgrade. Never hit the 710s but I imagine they are older tech and will not go as far as the 712s. If it were me I would buy those if the condition really is that good. It comes down to how often this person hits the range. If he is a range rat who hits 300 balls four times a week then no, because the faces will be dead in a year or two. If he is just a regular golfer than yes, because Titleist is a much better club even at the 710 level than a callaway or taylormade. APs are one of the most versatile irons, they are good for single digit to double digit handicappers. Perfect for your level. Just take a good look at the face and make sure there's no huge gashes in the bottom grooves or clear face wear. Scratches on the head are irrelevant and merely cosmetic.

Okay @coop6 got a swing fix for ya. If you aren't looking for one feel free to disregard but thought I would share. Now that I've finally got a couple rounds in this year and feel like my swing is where I want it to be, I think I can offer some really solid advice to people. This way I'm not just being theoretical but actually promoting what works for me. I have a pretty standard swing so I just stick to the overall basics and don't try to touch the natural moves people have unless they are really wild. Anyway what I see you doing is taking the club back too much with your arms in the takeaway, or at least your arms aren't connected with the body going back. Not sure if it might be your right arm pulling too much but your left arm is definitely disconnecting early in the takeaway from what I like to see*. This is causing your arms to start over the top on the downswing because they aren't in sync, and so you have an impact where the right arm is totally straight (sort of like Baddeley). The right elbow should be more in at impact for consistency. I think you will see improvement if you do this drill: Practice hitting it as far as you can with half swings. What feels like a half swing to you might end up being longer but try to stay short and connected and really mash it. Do this until you feel like you're getting the most distance for the shortest swing. It's almost impossible to be disconnected on the takeaway and achieve power in a short move. What happens is golfers add swing length to a disconnected takeaway to get more arm speed and make up for power. You can probably hit is just as far as you do now with a more connected half swing. After you get this down the extra swing length will equal more distance instead of making up for the loss of distance. A good thought for the takeaway I use is keeping the left arm very straight and firm. If I keep the left arm firm and in front of my body, not much goes wrong.

A single AP2 iron still retails for $80 so obviously the person is being nice. I was given free irons once I used them for a few years and then returned them to the guy. Dufner uses AP2.

@mvmac What I think will help you tremendously is to make some swings using only your arms and shoulders as much as possible, especially on the through swing. Try to really stay back and let the club swing in front of you. In your swing the body is a bit in front of the arms, on the backswing as well. On the backswing the hips and knees open up before the club has gone very far. Let the club get going before the body going back. On the forward swing, try to keep your back to the target longer. This is a common swing concept being taught now "back to the target." If the body is too far in front of the arms there is very little control over impact, and you have to really stay ahead of it. If you can get the arms to be more in control of the forward swing, you can get a lot more height and spin on the iron shots.

@Diego Verbeke your club face is not open at the top it's square to closed. I don't see a late set either. What I do see is a beautiful backswing. You have a big flip going because you're not using shoulder rotation to hit the golf ball. You rotate the club going back, but the shoulders are not guiding the backswing, instead you have the arms guiding the shoulders. Then going forward the arms are in control again, the body opens up and the wrists make a scooping motion. I think an impact bag would help you greatly. Many golfers don't get the shoulder rotation going enough, especially on the down swing. The shoulders have to rotate on top of the hips, they rotate and spin throughout the swing, and the spine also twists slightly. Don't do anything strenuous as this would need to be shown in person but this is why you flip it. When I had a flip my instructor helped me with the ball behind the ball. It helped me get the feel of what good descending contact actually feels like. The problem is this drill can promote somewhat of a forward slide, as the person swinging seems to do to get the job done. The drill does get the hands where they need to be though. After I finished my lessons, I realized the real problem was improper shoulder rotation, and I fixed it. Next time you hit the range, ask yourself at every point in your swing, are my shoulders actively involved? Are they leading the arms or following the arms? One can "cheat" so to speak and just put the hands where they have to be, but since you have the flexibility clearly, you should try to fix the rotation problem. It can't hurt!

Whatever if I am not deleted I will just help the member swings until then and not post anything for discusussion.

If what you're saying is correct, that the speed is maximum before impact and measured then, then I am wrong about that. See I can admit when I'm wrong! That is the difference between us. I was under the impression some devices are placed after the ball that measure swing speed (not the modern launch monitors). Perhaps that is how these older devices worked. In any case, swing speed is fastest just prior to impact* However it is still a fact that weight transfer is a part of gaining swing speed, and having more weight will increase the pull of the club and speed, all things being equal. Maybe it is only a few yards or so, but so what? I didn't say it's the only factor or the biggest factor. Why get offended over this statement which is true? Are we only allowed to talk about things that affect the shot more than 20 yards? I know for me gaining 10 pounds gave me about 5 yards more. Since I'm on the lighter side, it had more of an impact. It became easier for me to support the club without exerting myself. Maybe it's not a big deal to all people, but for lighter guys or gals, it can be. This is my problem with how you approach my points @iacas, you have to discount everything I say because you don't think it's that important. I'm sorry but if that's how you act on here, then please delete my entire account from your database. I was wrong about when the fastest point in the swing is, is that going to hurt anyone? I am right that weight transfer impacts swing speed. More importantly this debate over Tiger Woods is a matter of opinion. You keep saying it is a matter of fact because it is on paper, well that is completely stone headed. How can the stats measure if the player had a better angle to the hole, or what the level of difficulty of the putts were? They can't. You know it, I know it, and everyone knows it. You want to believe one thing that's fine, I don't agree with you, and there is no right answer. I came on here to help golfers, which in a short time I have, but obviously this is not the place to do so. It is one thing to correct me if I'm absolutely wrong about something, like when the swing is at its fastest point. But to not only determine which of my points has enough importance to be relevant, and to tell me my opinion about Tiger is wrong and yours is fact, but to limit participation and my account because you don't agree is simply a violation of common practices. You can run this site like a fascist regime if you want, and leave me out of it. You are one of those most petty people I have ever encountered. I highly doubt people are going to get much help here if you control the flow of information this way, some of them may not know better, but some of them do. Good day.

it is interesting to think of swing speed vs swing force. The thing is, swing speed is measured after impact. I guess I was wrong to say swing speed can't measure force, because the more force you have at impact, the more speed you will maintain after impact. So a heavier golfer will be able to maintain the speed better than a lighter one (excluding other variables). However the "swing speed" is just averaging out these factors. The swing speed measurement is not in tune with what is really going on. Here is a physics question. If the swing is faster will it slow up less at impact because it has more force to push through the ball, or will it slow up more because the force of impact with the ball will be greater? By less and more I mean change of speed relative to speed just before impact.

On to the last point about Badds. It's funny I too was thinking of him. Again what is on paper and what is actually happening are different things. You can be the best putter in the world but if you don't make the putts on the last few holes on Sunday, or when you are straddling the cut line, it won't help you. Tiger made every putt inside 3 feet, something like 1000 in a row, a world record. That's why he won everything. Ball striking stats are equally deceiving. Maybe the golfer hit the fairway or the green, but maybe it left a bad angle, or a tough putt over a ridge. The fairway is not always better than the rough. There are too many variables in the game of golf to measure. In the case of Badds, I would first note he is playing well and making cuts this year, so obviously the putting is not only crucial for success but also for longevity. Now would you argue that making 1 million in one year and then 0 in the next 4 is better than making 3 million across 5 years? This is the other problematic assumption with stats. Just because someone isn't coming in 1st place or making cuts all the time, doesn't mean their game isn't at a high level. Sometimes in tournament play making a par on a difficult hole where the field struggles, will help you more than making a birdie on a hole where 70 percent of the field did also. Stats don't measure these factors. Stats don't take away the stroke gained putting, or add a stroke gained ball striking for these variables. Honestly looking at stats for tour players they mean nothing to me. Kevin Na is always near the top in putting, but I don't consider him any better than other guys. Na just happens to hit many greens and leave long putts, which he sometimes makes, and usually two putts. I would rather be the guy who makes everything inside 5 feet when it matters and three putt occasionally and miss greens a little more. So the thing about Badds is, he is a great putter in the long run, and that's why he is continuing to have some success that many players from his era are not, but at the same time he is not a clutch putter. Tiger was the greatest clutch putter and chipper, and that is why he dominated. Anyone who really knows this game will agree.

Well my handicap is a little high because I play difficult courses from the back tees and I don't play the same courses over and over. I have a lot of improving left to do. I said Obama was a Harvard lawyer, and he is. I don't have to list his other achievements to say that. If you want to chime in with the "not only..." that's your call. Telling me I should reconsider my approach, doesn't look like I'm the combative one. I won't reconsider, but if you want, you can consider reading other posts. Okay so back to educating the others. Physics is a great science but it makes a lot of assumptions. A lot of times the measurements are not what is actually happening. First of all, weight transfer plays a role in power, by increasing club speed. Transferring the weight increases the club speed. The more weight you transfer, the easier it is to create more speed generally. So @iacas points out the only factor contributing to distance is the speed of the club at impact, and acceleration only affects distance by a mere matter of inches. Well first of all you can't argue swing speed at impact, because swing speed is measured after impact. Right there the argument falls apart yes? What is impact? The moment the club touches the ball? The moment the club leaves the ball? The distance between those two points? 2 inches behind the ball and two inches after? Who knows, because impact is a general term often misconstrued. Swing speed relates to the fastest point of the swing that occurs after "impact." Without acceleration at impact, the swing speed will be slower. It is not the speed at impact that counts, but the fact the club is accelerating at impact to affect the swing speed measurement after it. So a club head decelerating at impact as opposed to one that is accelerating would give you an enormous difference in swing speed measurement. A golfer can use his/her weight to improve swing speed, which is why Rory and Tiger and others work out to gain muscle mass. @14ledo81 You can not use one person losing weight to determine the impact of weight on swing speed, because with one person there is no control in the experiment. If you lose 55lbs and swing speed stays the same and distance stays the same how do I explain it? Um, you got better. Sadlowski weighing under 200lbs.... Let's say Sadlowski and ledo maintain the same mechanics and Sadlowski uses the weight in his weight transfer he had previously, and ledo has no change in mechanics either and transfers the same. Sadlowski would hit it father than he does now! The increase in weight would help in increase his swing speed (not impact speed). Ledo's loss of weight would result in less speed. Again this assumes neither player gains or loses any skill or accelleration, and transfers the same percent of their weight, and use the transfer equally towards swing speed. But in any case, no one can argue that weighing more makes it easier to increase swing speed. People will argue that lighter people have faster swings, but again the heavier golfers may not be as flexible. There are other factors like lag that play a much larger role than weight. But believe this, if a golfer gains weight and maintains the same lag and flexibility and mechanics etc. the weight gain will help them increase force/speed, and hit it farther. Just ask Rory or Tiger and they will tell you this is why they are in the gym. Obviously they want to gain muscle mass and not fat because this type of weight will not have a negative impact on their flexibility.

If you are actually an expert you should understand this. Then again Obama is a Harvard lawyer. I'm sorry but "read the darn charts," and " hahaha no" are not arguments. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to scoring. It's nice to hide behind charts but putting is far more important than ball striking, and the strokes gained due to either can not really be measured. Being in the top ten in putting is more important than being in the top 100 in ball striking. If you don't think this is correct, you should really find another sport to analyze. You're right about one thing. Those degrees do not have anything to do with golf. You can get a masters in physics and not understand how physics works in golf. They wouldn't ask that on a test, and if they did and you got it wrong, you can still get the degree. It's disturbing how people want to talk about their degrees as if it means they have any more understanding of anything. You clearly do not understand how the weight of the person levering the club impacts distance.

You are wrong. A heavier golfer can swing at the same speed as a lighter golfer and have more force, while the club swings freely, there is still arm and bicep influence involved. The heavier golfer gets more swing speed by transferring more weight, the lighter golfer is expending the bicep and arm support to achieve the speed, hence acceleration and momentum. This is what ACTUALLY happens even though a computer model cannot account for all of these variables to generate it. You're looking at it too theoretically. In theory the weight of the golfer is irrelevant but in real life it is not because someone is holding the club, the club is not swinging COMPLETELY freely, or you would have to let it go. Also a heavier golfer can swing a heavier club the same speed, and the heavier club would equal more distance. That is another example of how swing speed is not the only factor for distance. The heavier club would also increase the swing speed due to gravity yes, but the impact force is relevant. Would a fly hitting you at 100mph send you the same distance as a truck? If something is propelling the fly or the truck, doesn't the attached portion between this and the fly or truck add mass? Phil has your back if you want to believe the computer.

Excuse me? Tiger gained as many strokes with putting as he did with full swings? Are those two things equal? You take a whole lot more putts than you do swings. Saving two putts is much more important than hitting the fairway or striking the iron well, if you're trying to win a tournament. Look at what just happened to Phil. You have to get the ball into the hole before you get a score. Being #10 in putting and #500 in ball striking will equal better scores than being #2 in ball striking and number #20 in putting. Tiger was #1 or #2 in putting all those years, that is why he dominated. Everyone who knows the game knows this. Stop saying dude. Can you wait until I finish editing to respond. I deleted that information about the triangle and 20 degrees. You asked me not to bring up previous posts, but you keep going back to the zero rotation thing. We are passed that now, I will explain what I meant by zero in a video. Force impacts distance and force is mass times acceleration. A golfer who weighs more will contribute more mass to the club head. A 200 pound golfer with a 90mph swing will hit the ball further than a 140lb golfer with a 92 mph swing. This is a fact.

I'm finally realizing I will definitely need a video to describe the swing I'm talking about. There is no way for me to explain it in words, if I did it would take up about 100 pages. I have to show it, and I will get to that. Weight transfer doesn't affect club head speed, but it does affect power, greatly. You do understand that someone who weighs more will hit the ball further than someone who weighs less with the same exact impact position right? Force and speed are two different things entirely. Force is mass times acceleration. Acceleration is the speed part of the swing, but the golfer influences the mass of the club head with their own mass. Acceleration is also important as "swing speed" is a flawed concept. 100mph swing gaining speed will hit the ball farther than 100mph losing speed, because it will affect the force! I'm not a physics expert but speed is a flawed measurement to find force. Speed doesn't account for the efficiency of the swing, it is just distance traveled over time. How far the golf ball goes depends on force, and momentum as well. Speed has nothing to do with anything, velocity, mass, momentum, acceleration, are what contribute to distance because the only speed that matters is ball speed.

Tiger Woods 2013? How about the Tiger Woods that owned the game of golf for a decade. That Tiger Woods was always number one in chipping and putting, whether you look at it on paper, or use your eyes. Yes he lead in nearly all categories, driving and approach shots included, but he really separated himself with the putter. This is the same case for Spieth, who with an entirely different swing, is able to dominate through short game. The swing only has to do so much, and by do so much I mean be near what I'm talking about. It doesn't have to be right on, but thisnis where beginners need to go. I'm proposing there is a simple, natural, mechanic, to the swing that if golfers know, can make them better golfers. Professional athletes understand athletic motions. This is why you have the swing being passed down from generation to generation. This is why the 17 year old Ryan Ruffels is shooting 6 under par on tour and having a lot of success and traction. Both of his parents were athletes, Davis Cup tennis players. The common person will say it's in the genes, but that is an ignorant statement, you do not pass on athleticism. What passes on is the knowledge I am passing on to you, that the best athletic move in any sport is the simplest one, it is the 0. I am trying my best to explain what I'm saying so you can understand @iacas and admittedly I'm not getting everything right. However you don't speak in my terms also. There is no one to say generally your way of explaining is better or more understandable than mine. I am making mistakes because I am trying to explain my concept in your technical speak. I do not teach technically but generally. You do not speak generally about the swing, so that is why I'm the one making the mistakes here. If you come out of your comfort zone, sometimes you make mistakes but you also learn things, which is why I'm learning from you, but not you from me...yet. I know you eventually will pick up something as you are certainly trying to understand my view. If you truly want to understand it, you're going to have to look at the swing in a different way, the general, averaged out way. I can assure you the game of golf is not passed down technically. Many athletes don't even know what a right angle is. General speak can be just as helpful to the golfer as graphs and numbers. Once you get the averaged out motion, then technicalities can help. Many golfers succeed without any technical knowledge. Sometimes the technical makes sense in the brain, but the muscles don't speak this language. In short, the numbers don't add up. I don't think if someone cannot get to what I consider a standard position, they should go steeper or flatter to compensate, they should shorten the swing instead and keep the angles. I can hit a ball 80% as far with a quarter swing using hip separation and wrist lag. If someone doesn't have hip separation or wrist lag, and swing length is all they have, may then we can look at it, but that's a rare case. Even in that case, the person is simply dropping the club onto the ball, so they should still be trying to get as close to the swing I'm describing. If they can't get the shoulders to the swing I'm describing, fine, then they should put the club where it would be, if they could get the shoulders correct. For the life of me I cannot understand why instructors argue that steep and flat is okay for some people. It is not! I agree with the measurements you have, I just think they should compliment what I'm saying, and not seek to prove there is no perfect position. It seems that is where we dissent, I believe there is a perfect position for every golfer at every point in the golf swing. Like many you disagree and say every golfer is different. I think every golfer is only different because they don't have the knowledge. The ones that do have more in common with each other than they don't. This is why I used Sergio, because he does something extremely uncommon on the way back, but then he has to end up where I am saying everyone should end up if they have the flexibility. Again, if they don't, they should move towards this position in the most efficient way possible, the shortest distance between the positions with the smallest wasted motion, a perfectly curved line.

I confused supinated (wrist up) and pronated (wrist down), please reverse those in my statement. @iacas you missed that my statement about weight transfer being part of the golf swing is why the robot that swings in a vertical circle is not a realistic swing, nor is it possible for anyone unless you are 7 feet tall and take a half swing. You might disagree but without weight transfer you will lack a lot of power, even if you are still staying centered and getting the club where it needs to go.

@coop6 Assuming you guys are working on the connection as you stated earlier, I'm curious to see how you fix it. I struggle with the connection when I'm having off days, and I can't find a good fix. The towel under arms is the original fix, but i structors don't like it, I don't like it, and even Dufner seems to have inconsistencies, though he uses it in his warm up routine. I saw that your drill was moving the arms first from the top to about hip level, and rehearsing this motion several times. I'm trying to find or think of other drills. If you find something you're willing to share and your instructor doesn't mind would love to try it myself.