inthecup

Yea we are all different. Heck I’m different from week to week!

The rib is very subtle. It would not hinder you from “shotmaking” I think it would help. It gives a point of reference for you grip or adjusted grip. As I suspected after hitting more balls I am settling in to a nice push draw. I am going to Innsbrook in a couple weeks I’ll see how it goes there.

Unfortunately the Ping grips are on with tape from the factory. I don't think I can blow them off. I'll play as is for a while and see what happens. I am going to use the same grip on my hybrids (which I will blow on) so I will be able to experiment with them.

I just switched irons and the new Irons came with grips with a reminder rib. For me I think this is a good thing because I seem to grip the club inconsistently and over time I tend to go stronger and stronger. With my old clubs (no rib) I was fighting a hook. With these I am more likely to push it a bit. I also tend to hit a straight ball, its harder to draw with the new clubs. To be fair the new clubs have less offset but it is a big change. I want to stick with the reminder rib, I think it will help my consistency over time. The rib is now aligned neutral. I think I would like it aligned slightly strong. I blow my own grips on so if I swap them out I can adjust them as needed To the fitters out there is this sound thinking or should I stick with the neutral alignment until I figure it out? One thing I am concerned about is that I have been fighting overdrawing the ball for so long that I am probably compensating it. I was playing the Callaway CF16's. I liked the clubs and loved the extra distance but my distance control was not good. I moved into Ping I200's with the help of my fitter (who is on vacation hence the question here) and it seems an improvement. I have only had them for a day but I hit a lot of balls on a monitor and played two simulated rounds of golf. Because I got new irons I played from the red tees so I could tee off with an iron. Never hit more than a 5 iron. It was odd because I used to aim right to play the big draw, with these I have to aim left to play the slight push. I shot even par which has never happened before. I hit a lot of greens and if I missed a green it was not by much. It doesn't count for anything but it was a good sign! Any help is appreciated.

I would be concerned about the sub zero. It is a low spin head. If your spin is naturally low, on miss hits the spin could drop to an unacceptable level and the ball falls out of the sky. I experience it with a Ping LS driver. Low spin is not necessarily better.

You do have to admit this fall was awesome. I played in comfortable temps into early December.

Playing in the cold has several elements. Temperature Wind Sun As you might imagine sun is good and wind is bad. You can have a low temp but sun and its fine. Cold temp, no sun and wind is cold. This year I got Adidas ULTIMATE 365 CLIMAWARM GOLF PANTS. They are awesome through a range of temperatures from 55 on down. Depending on the temperature I wear the following layers. Cotton Tee shirt, the slipperiest short sleeve golf shirt I can find (it keeps the layers from binding) dark long sleeve golf shirt/sweater, dark long sleeve golf rain jacket. The rain jacket has a zipper so if you are getting hot you can unzip it to modulate the temp. If it gets too hot I take it off. The Golf sweater/shirts all seem to have a zipper up high that you can also unzip to vent heat. I am a warm person so I don't usually wear gloves but I will wear a ski hat if its really cold. Otherwise try and bring a dark ball cap. Usually the issue is not being able to shed the right amount of layers to not overheat. I'll play into the high 30's with these clothes IF it is not windy. If it is windy and not sunny, it is not fun and I bail below 45.

I would go with Garmin. They are GPS experts. I have two Garmin GPS devices handheld and watch. I have had Callaway and Skycaddie, I prefer Garmin by far. The hardware is better.

Welcome to the forum! I agree that foam will give you very odd reads. What's in the garage that can't get hit? Are you old enough to pull the cars out?

Sorry for the slow reply.....Smacker. I don’t mind. My setup is more launch monitor. It’s a bit over the top for a home setup. Foresight GC2 Certified preowned. The software is a couple grand. The computer is a pretty hot gaming computer I built to their spec. At least a grand. Large TV. So pretty expensive. You can setup a lessor monitor for a lot less and have a great simulator. If you want an indoor monitor I think Foresight is the best.

I have been on a SAM putt lab twice and I thought it was incredibly interesting. I really know very little about putter design theory or fitting. I am very pleased with my current putter and couldn't tell you what kind of toe hang it has. I did look into an Edel fitting but I was not comfortable with who was doing it locally.

Your opinions are very deep rooted. I wanted to know the depth of your knowledge of SAM putt lab. I read this thread yesterday but at the time it sounded to me like you questioned its usefulness.

Sorry I read that years ago and did not recall that detail.

Erik, have you ever used Sam Put Lab?

Double on the last, I seem to have gotten over that. I used to serve up some bad holes at the end when was trying to break into the 80's. If I get near the 70's regularly I am sure it will come back!

You guys are suffering! I want a double bogey free round! I guess breaking into the 70's. I feel like I could do it but it would be an anomaly at this point. My goal would be to get the handicap into single digits.

I am blessed with the resources to take a chance on new clubs. I ordered up the Ping I200 5-PW with the same shafts as my Apex irons. They will be set up by my fitter who is one of the best so it will be an interesting test to see if they achieve my goal. In the testing I have done the dispersion was much better and the distance was shorter. I am not the longest player but at this point accuracy is more important to me. I will have the whole winter to hit balls into a net on a monitor and make some judgement about consistency and accuracy. I also have a Mid December trip down south to play so I will get some on course experience to go with the monitor data. I was really making progress last year. I am playing off a solid 12 index and I think I can go lower. I am hoping to visit single digits, never been there before. What could possibly go wrong!

For me a monitor is about hitting balls inside in the winter. Being in SC I don't think that is your issue. I will give one thing to be cautious about. You can get Launch Monitor disease. It causes you to focus on distance above all else. For driver I would look at launch angle and spin. Irons Launch angle and spin also. It tells purity of strike for one. And you can gauge if you are flipping and know if you are lowering your launch angle to reduce said flipping.

This has other flaws in that I use a return net. With ball won't really return it will hit the front of the matt. Is the matt worth it? Now if I hit a fat shot the club skips and gives me a high number as far as strike angle like 4% up so you know it was fat. The result of the shot is unrealistic because of it,but I know it was fat. What is the result and feel of a fat shot on this matt?

If your practicing maybe. It all needs to be aligned or the data is wrong. If you are using the simulator no. There would be to many moves and to many people. It would be slow and cumbersome. I could make a track that it slid forward and back in to hold alignment but that could be a bit much. I have used a tee that sits on the Matt I was hoping for something better.

Ping used to have the same grooves as evnroll and I believe there was a conflict. They now have a different groove style but the concept is the same. l play an Evnroll and I have never putted better. Is it because of the putter? No idea but I like mine. I went from a Scotty Cameron to this.

You can use it but the tee thing is a hassle. I am wondering if there is a way to avoid the problem that I am not seeing.

In another thread True Stike golf mat was brought up as a good mat. I am considering swapping out the mat in my indoor setup. I do not like it. It's too hard. I do use a GC2 launch monitor which means the ball has to be placed in a specific area for the monitor to read it. That area is pretty small. Perpendicular to the ball range is 6" total. It looks like these are set up to hit irons off the gel and tee'd balls on the section of grass further away from you. Is that correct? So I could not use a standard under the mat rubber tee. Moving the monitor is not an option. Has anyone used this with a monitor? Truestrike

In a thread a while back I mentioned I had an indoor launch monitor / simulator setup. Someone asked for photos. This is in an industrial building that houses my business. The foundation of the system is a Foresight GC2 launch monitor with HMT. For those unfamiliar that is a photo based launch monitor that takes many photos of the ball in its first foot or so of flight and analyses what the ball is doing. The HMT head takes photos of the clubface to tell you what the club face is doing. You apply reflective dots to the clubface so the camera can read it. The benefit of this system is that it does what it does in a short distance. It is great for an indoor system and it is very accurate. I find the results it gives the same as what I get on the course. I believe it is better than a Radar based system for my needs because of the clubface information it gives. It is very helpful for learning. It gives you club path (in to out and to what degree) it gives you angle of attack, it gives you delivered loft (flipping or handle forward) club head speed, face angle to path and to target. It is really quite amazing. Be warned that without some professional help you can get yourself sideways. I have my local pro come in and help me so I don't get caught up in the numbers. As far as a launch monitor I have learned some interesting things. Where club head speed comes from. A "hard swing" is not necessarily a fast swing. Club path and club face control and the effects of both Delivered loft (up on the driver or flipping...) Launch angles and all the normal launch monitor stuff. I had just the GC2 for years which just reads the ball. That is great hitting into a net because you can see the ball flight, spins and distance. When I added the HMT head last year that's when I really made progress. My index dropped 2 points this summer and if the summer had gone on I believe it would have dropped 2 more. The software is Foresights FSX. I built a pretty powerful gaming computer to run it (to their specs). There is very little delay in the reading and display. I use this for practice, either at the range. Parking on a hole and hitting balls or playing. Putting has no value on this so I do not putt. I either use manual putting, so less than 10 feet from the hole 1 putt > 10 2 putts. It speeds the game along. It also has automatic putting which uses an algorithm to add putts based on distance to the hole. Alone I can play 18 holes in 40 minutes. I also have people over to play in the winter. The league from the summer continues, my team comes over on a weekday night and we play. That is insanely fun, cigars, beer, pizza and heckling are encouraged! I am happy with the net. It is a return net. It has 5 years of use and shows no sign of wear. I bought the mat with the net. It is very high quality but I no not like the hitting surface it is too firm. I am looking to replace it but any matt I get must allow the ball to roll back to you which limits options. Overall it is a great system. I am considering adding an impact screen and projector but it is not really needed. I can push this all into the corner and still use the room. It is not inexpensive by any stretch. I realize I am very lucky to be able to do this. One of my friends wives pointed out that as much as I use it and as much fun as it is it is a better investment than some expensive vacation(s) because more pleasure is gained from it over a longer period of time.

Lower spin helps to a point. If it drops too low the ball falls from the sky. The clubs that help with distance which is most game improvement clubs are all generate lower spin. They also have a low center of gravity to increase launch and height. The peak height of both clubs was around 33 yards.