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Playing Skins With A Ringer... Need Some Advice

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Every other Saturday or Sunday, a group of 12-16 of us get together and have a friendly little skins game. $20 to get in, birdies or better. For the most part we all range from 10s to 3s. It tends to be rather even amongst us playing birdies or better because it's the 8s, 9s, and 10s that actually make a few birdies (along with a few doubles) while the 3s to 5s tend to be more par machines. This weekend however, we have a good buddy of a few of the guys that is going to come out and play. He will probably continue to do so going forward. Here's the thing... dude's +1 or +2 legend has it and looking him up on/through GHIN, yep... he's a ringer. Good for 3 or 4 birdies a round with the occasional 5 birdie round. So, how do we square things up with him in the mix? Have any of you guys or girls faced such? Or at the end of the day, is it better to just suck it up, throw your $20 in and hope for the best. I'm bringing a few new guys aling as well and they want to get in on "the action," but I don't want it to seem like they were invited for their contributions to The Ringer's bar tab and meal.
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You might try putting the ringer on the black tees, the 3-5 hcp'pers on the blues, and the 6-10's on the whites (or whatever colors your course uses).

Although it may appear that the 6-10's are making more birdies per round than the 3-5's, from a statistical standpoint that is highly unlikely.  You could gather several weeks of cards and do a survey to verify or refute this.

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You might try putting the ringer on the black tees, the 3-5 hcp'pers on the blues, and the 6-10's on the whites (or whatever colors your course uses). Although it may appear that the 6-10's are making more birdies per round than the 3-5's, from a statistical standpoint that is highly unlikely.  You could gather several weeks of cards and do a survey to verify or refute this.

The staggered tees is the idea in the works currently. Myself and my usual group of 5 or 6 have been playing the tips for about a month now just to change it up and hit some different clubs and shots into the greens. We play the same three courses 4 to 5 times a week. Scoring really hasn't changed... in fact I'm going to 6.5 at Midnight tonight (down from a 6.9). In regards to the 6-10s making the birdies, I can vouch... as I am one of them. I'm normally good for 2,3, or 4 on any given round. (Short 380-400 yard Par 4s and usually have a solid look or two on the a few of the 5s). The lower handicapped buddies of mine will lull you to sleep with strings of pars. Haha! I understand ALL TOO WELL that such a quantity of birdies should make me a lower handicapped player, but until I firmly grasp the concept of Course Management (and for some frustrating reason, my bunker game), such is my current state of affairs. Maddening, but correctable. So we'll see. Probably shove the ringer to the tips, the rest play from the blues, and let the $20s fall where they may. That's about a 350-400 yard difference over the 18 holes, with the Par 3s showing the most (2 clubs) difference. I'll take my chances with my 8 and 9 irons from 160-170 yards over his 5 and 6 irons from the 200+ tee boxes that the tips present for the Par 3s. At the end of the day, it'll just be a good sunny and warm 36-hole Saturday, right?

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Everyone knows that I'm one of the biggest proponents of the USGA handicap system on this site, but skins is the exception. Gross skins only, and either pony up, or stay out of the game. And yeah, I tend to be a net contributor to the pot more often than not.... :-(
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I'm with David..................SKINs is a scratch game!! Birdies pay........... Your +2HC friend should play the back tees, but it won't matter. He'll still make his share....
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Every other Saturday or Sunday, a group of 12-16 of us get together and have a friendly little skins game. $20 to get in, birdies or better. For the most part we all range from 10s to 3s. It tends to be rather even amongst us playing birdies or better because it's the 8s, 9s, and 10s that actually make a few birdies (along with a few doubles) while the 3s to 5s tend to be more par machines.

This weekend however, we have a good buddy of a few of the guys that is going to come out and play. He will probably continue to do so going forward. Here's the thing... dude's +1 or +2 legend has it and looking him up on/through GHIN, yep... he's a ringer. Good for 3 or 4 birdies a round with the occasional 5 birdie round.

So, how do we square things up with him in the mix? Have any of you guys or girls faced such? Or at the end of the day, is it better to just suck it up, throw your $20 in and hope for the best. I'm bringing a few new guys aling as well and they want to get in on "the action," but I don't want it to seem like they were invited for their contributions to The Ringer's bar tab and meal.

I live in the gambling world and heres my advice. If you are going to play against a ringer make a deal. Say to him, "To keep it fair, I get to throw THE ball once every hole or second hole (whatever you guys agree upon, even just 9 times). Then on the holes he is going to make birdie, pick up his ball and throw it off the green. Yes its shady but if he agrees to let you throw THE ball not specifying which one then game on. Just to be safe, I would throw his ball out of bounds or into water.

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I live in the gambling world and heres my advice. If you are going to play against a ringer make a deal. Say to him, "To keep it fair, I get to throw THE ball once every hole or second hole (whatever you guys agree upon, even just 9 times). Then on the holes he is going to make birdie, pick up his ball and throw it off the green. Yes its shady but if he agrees to let you throw THE ball not specifying which one then game on. Just to be safe, I would throw his ball out of bounds or into water.

That's an old Trevino story... :-P

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Yup, that is his storey, but the key is if you're playing a ringer take back the edge. some say its shady but remember HE'S THE RINGER lol don't feel bad. just find a way to get the edge in your advantage and then it doesn't matter how good he is.

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