my lesson

so i took a lesson last night and had video analysis and cant believe some of the things i saw in my swing.
I will only mention some of the flaws that were explained to me and I would like to get some input as to what you folks think.
the first problem was that he saw that as i took the club away i was fanning the face open. He said the face is wide open at the top. He gave me a club that had a hool a hoop taped to it. as i addressed the ball with this club the hool a hoop rested on the shaft. the goal was to make a swing and keep this hool a hoop on the plane which felt like i was shutting the club to keep this hool a hoop on plane. before with my old swing if i took the club back with my arms and got the toe up at the 9 oclock position the hool a hoop would be laying flat and parallel to ground. ( he told me the toe up drill at the 9oclock position is the worse advice ever?) now it feels like when i take the club away and get to the 8 oclock position my right arm is over my left arm, the club head is outside my hands and the face is square to plane. he has me trying to take the club away with my body so it keeps the club square to the path instead of just trying to just whip it back with my arms.
the second thing we worked on was getting hip rotation in the down swing and getting the left hip to go left at the down swing.
here is my swing but this VIDEO WAS TAKEN ABOUT 3.5 YEARS AGO. this video may not work but this is not the video from last night!

So, are you going to take another lesson from that idiot? Save yourself a lot of grief. Any swing instruction you get, check it against the pros driver swings in slow motion at http://www.pgatour.com/swingplex/ .

Also, while you are watching those pros, imagine that each one is controlling his swing with his lead shoulder. You might learn something.

Hi,

What's wrong with that instructions ? Care to explain ? Familiar with basic theory about swing plane ? they're basic one plane swing positions !!!! If you're looking for 2 plane instructor .. then situation/instructions could be the opposite ! So... jacklee : "lead shoulder" is for 2 plane swing 100% correct and opposite for 1 plane swing ! I wonder why he wants yout to do that drills ? Maybe yours tendency to one plane ? or he is just one plane instructor and doesn't care for other approaches? regards,

Hi,

yours swing from video is classic 2 plane swing. In that fact I can't understand 1 plane approach for you ! Did you change swing in last years ? regards,

Thanks for this link.

no i didnt change my swing just worked on fundamentals and worked on my backswing so that the club doesnt whip behind me.

the thing that gets me is there was no intro from the instructor. he just came over and got right into it. there was no "okay whats going on in your swing, what are you feeling, whats your goal, nothing" he just got right into it and tried to make it feel like the face was closed through the entire swing. i dont think he was teaching me one plane theory. i always thought the toe up at the half way back position was a great drill. he said its the worse. this game is crazy.

That's definetly bad approach

Obviously he isn't right choice in any perspective ! Up to date typical instructor came and want to force 2 plane theory/practice to anybody .. nowadays it's viceversa. Without plan what to do/correct/improve based on type of swing everything is a problem! He was correct in his advice for 1 planner ! But you're 2 plane and halfway back should be "toe up" . And said somoene that without checkinh his type of swing is rude/not correct/.... ! you should go to better (more open minded/proffesional) instructor ! regards,

he is friends with hank haney. hank calls him crazy because of how much he really gets into the swing. he comments on some of the things tiger does and hank as said "where did you see that in his swing".
Hank is coming down to his teaching facility this year.
I dont think i would go back though. some of things he had me doing like closing the face really screwed me up.
the biggest help though was seeing that in the downswing my butt cheeks came way off the angle from address. for example if you were to get into position so that your butt is against then make a swing, on the downswing by butt was pulled away from the wall by about 10 inches. this is a must fix.

One plane rules

HowEver ... you have clean 2 plane swing ... so he shouldn't do that without at least consulting you first etc.! Where's the point of changing basic swing !!?? Closing the face .. you'll get over very quickly... it's not natural move with steep 2 plane arms move. My problem was opposite ! I want to learn 1 plane and my (ex? ) pro has some so called one plane swing school .. with very 2 plane approach/methods. From my expirience with 3 Pro's ... they don't know soooo much .. but I(we) beleive them too much I was confused big time last year until in september I read some books (Jim Hardy) and learn what is what ... I'm looking forward for next season with all that (basic) knowledge. regards,

1 plane swing??? Hardy's original definition was that the arms and shoulders stay on the same plane from takeaway through impact.

If that's even possible, I don't know why anyone would want to swing that flat. It seems to me that a very flat swing and a very upright swing both cause problems.

Watching your video frame by frame, I notice you pull/drop the club inside and below the plane very early and get inside then go steeply up to correct. The downswing is not bad but the lower body lags just a tad and that hints that you may hit a few pushes and pulls when your timing is a little off.

Most modern swing instruction I'm familiar with prefers the club to stay above your hands on both backswing and downswing. As to the nine O'clock position, there are two points of views. One is the classic toe up and the other is for the club face to be parallel to your spine angle -- both generally are toe up but the second one is square if you were standing straight up but might look very slightly closed from your normal swing posture. So being on your spine angle is not really a fault to worry about. In your case, you are fanned past both these options at about 7:30 if my eyes are seeing correctly. You do not continue to add fan as the backswing continues. Some instructors like the early fan, some don't. Note that a few big names known for length are on their spine angle at 9 O'clock, others are toe up. Another modern trend for some is to look a little laid off, but you are not laid off. Many swings don't look as good as yours.

I would not take these comments as very important -- they are just an opinion like many other anonymous Internet opinions. Maybe something to think about but you decide what works for you. If you are striping it, why worry. If you are pushing or pulling too often, then you have some ideas to think about. Sound reasonable?

thanks for the reply. i do know that i lack lower body in that swing but keep in mind that video is over 3 years old. i have been trying to work on getting though the shot. i really prefer the toe up at 9 oclock position. i dont think i will be going back to that teacher especially at $100 per hour to tell me to shut the face as much as i can in my swing. the facility was really nice, every range mat has a camera/ computer/ software to draw plane lines to analyze your swing.
i think i will work on my take away, lower body getting though the shot and THE IN THE SLOT DRILL.
WHAT ARE EVERYONES THOUGHTS ON THE IN THE SLOT DRILL?