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I have a set of Ping Zings, black dot that I bought used about a month ago.

They have Ping KT-M(?) steel shafts.

One problem I have always had with my irons is that I feel the trajectory of my shots is too low, more so with the 7-8-9 irons. How much of this could be effected by the shaft of the club? I know I need to keep working on my swing, but I would also like to know how the shaft can make a difference. I have a what I would think is a medium swing speed, but I have never had it measured.

Thanks!

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Wedge 60.07 RAC Chrome
Putter Karsten Zing

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Low trajectory with the short irons is usually very desireable. Are you unhappy with it? But yeah, from an equipment POV, the shaft is the primary factor on how high or low the ball flies.
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Low trajectory with the short irons is usually very desireable. Are you unhappy with it? But yeah, from an equipment POV, the shaft is the primary factor on how high or low the ball flies.

exactly what he said.

A high kick shaft launches the ball lower, low kick launches it higher. A stiffer shaft will launch the ball lower, a more flexible shaft will launch it higher

My Clubs
Driver - LV4 10* R flex
Wood - sam snead persimmon 2 wood (for windy days)
Hybrid burner tour launch 20* stiff flex.
Irons - Tour Mode 3i,4i stiffIrons - FP's 5-PW R-flexWedge - spin milled 54.14Wedge - spin milled 60.07Putter - Victoria Lowest round 2010: 79 (par 70)Latest rounds at...

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Low trajectory with the short irons is usually very desireable. Are you unhappy with it? But yeah, from an equipment POV, the shaft is the primary factor on how high or low the ball flies.

Yea, I agree a lower ball flight is better but that's a result of controlling distances from said flight and utilizing spin. It's been my experience that most high handicappers that are getting a low trajectory from their short irons are not getting the benefits of the distance control or spin. Usually it's either a swing mechanics issue (ball position comes to mind) or as the OP asked too stiff of a flex on the shaft. My question to the OP is are your approach shots generally carrying the distance over front side bunkers and such and stopping on the greens? If your forced to hit short of the green just to get the ball to stop somewhere on the back edge of the putting surface then the lower trajectory isn't helping. If your landing on the green and stopping within an acceptable distance then that's the ticket!

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Yea, I agree a lower ball flight is better but that's a result of controlling distances from said flight and utilizing spin. It's been my experience that most high handicappers that are getting a low trajectory from their short irons are not getting the benefits of the distance control or spin. Usually it's either a swing mechanics issue (ball position comes to mind) or as the OP asked too stiff of a flex on the shaft. My question to the OP is are your approach shots generally carrying the distance over front side bunkers and such and stopping on the greens? If your forced to hit short of the green just to get the ball to stop somewhere on the back edge of the putting surface then the lower trajectory isn't helping. If your landing on the green and stopping within an acceptable distance then that's the ticket!

My problem is that I can usually hit just in front of the green or the front of the green. But the ball has no backspin and keeps rolling, usually off the back of the green!

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Irons Zing
Wedge 60.07 RAC Chrome
Putter Karsten Zing

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My problem is that I can usually hit just in front of the green on the front of the green. But the ball has no backspin and keeps rolling, usually off the back of the green!

I guess your not a long hitter then?

My Clubs
Driver - LV4 10* R flex
Wood - sam snead persimmon 2 wood (for windy days)
Hybrid burner tour launch 20* stiff flex.
Irons - Tour Mode 3i,4i stiffIrons - FP's 5-PW R-flexWedge - spin milled 54.14Wedge - spin milled 60.07Putter - Victoria Lowest round 2010: 79 (par 70)Latest rounds at...

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My problem is that I can usually hit just in front of the green on the front of the green. But the ball has no backspin and keeps rolling, usually off the back of the green!

Yea, a higher trajectory would help you quite a bit. Since you have pretty good clubs already I would suggest working on your swing to enable you you hit the ball higher. Since that's stating the obvious any number of factors come into play such as your set-up, how steep you come into the ball (ie hitting down on the ball), and the like. Since we do not know what your swing looks like I suggest taking a trip to see your local friendly PGA pro.

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I guess your not a long hitter then?

I guess I don't really know. I can hit a 7 iron about 140 give or take. PW about 110.

Driver G2
Hybrid 22 degree
Irons Zing
Wedge 60.07 RAC Chrome
Putter Karsten Zing

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Yea, a higher trajectory would help you quite a bit. Since you have pretty good clubs already I would suggest working on your swing to enable you you hit the ball higher. Since that's stating the obvious any number of factors come into play such as your set-up, how steep you come into the ball (ie hitting down on the ball), and the like. Since we do not know what your swing looks like I suggest taking a trip to see your local friendly PGA pro.

I plan on doing that very soon! I don't know if it would be worth it to re shaft my irons if that is one of the problems, or just get a whole new set.

Driver G2
Hybrid 22 degree
Irons Zing
Wedge 60.07 RAC Chrome
Putter Karsten Zing

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I would suggest to stick with what you got and work on the swing. Those Ping Zings are something else to look at but I'll tell ya I have seen some pretty good rounds shot by people gaming those clubs. Besides, isn't it more fun to beat other people with shiny new clubs with your old school Pings?!?!
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One other relatively cheap fix might be a ball switch. Perhaps the Bridgestone e5. It has a urethane cover so it'll check more around the green and it promotes a higher ball flight.

Maybe worth the $25 to get a dozen and see what happens. With irons I think one's trajectory is more a result of one's swing than the shaft.

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I have a couple thoughts I figure I would contribute since I recently was in the same boat as the OP before taking lessons this summer.

The first is the whole "Hit down on the ball!!!" advice and thought process. It's actually something that was, before lessons, very harmful to my game. The hitting down on the ball idea, while correct, is harmful without explaining what goes into it. The mind thinks that to hit down on the ball, you have to come down at a vertical angle, which of course kills your swing plane. So yes hitting down on the ball is the idea, it has to be explained fully to understand the golf swing.

To me, if you aren't getting the height you want, but the distance is fine, then it sounds like you are just hitting it thin and almost scooping which is causing the ball to shoot off the face with a line drive.
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Shanks A Million Great Member

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At a 30 handicap, no piece of equipment is going to affect you that much. The swing will be far more important at that point in determining the flight of the ball. It's not until you start striking the ball cleanly and solidly each time that equipment becomes a factor. For me, it wasn't until I reached about an 8 handicap that I started to need to worry about my equipment whatsoever.

I would focus on getting the swing in order, and hitting the ball high and solid, then worry about equipment later. The clubs you have are a good, middle of the road set, and anyone from a 30 handicap to a PGA tour pro could play them without much problem.
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At a 30 handicap, no piece of equipment is going to affect you that much. The swing will be far more important at that point in determining the flight of the ball. It's not until you start striking the ball cleanly and solidly each time that equipment becomes a factor. For me, it wasn't until I reached about an 8 handicap that I started to need to worry about my equipment whatsoever.

once again mr knows everything about golf but still has a 6.7 handicap makes me lol once again.
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once again mr knows everything about golf but still has a 6.7 handicap makes me lol once again.

Dude, you need to chill out. You have, once again, added a useless comment to a thread in an effort to stir something up. Do yourself a favor and read rather than writing so you can add useful comments to the threads.

To the OP. If you are considering new shafts, I would recommend new irons. Or, if you really like your current irons you could just get new short irons. Some of the newer stuff will promote higher ball flight with additional weight shifted toward the sole of the club. As someone mentioned previously, I would be looking into a different ball, like the e5, as it could be a cheap solution. Good luck.
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James_Black Great Member

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once again mr knows everything about golf but still has a 6.7 handicap makes me lol once again.

do you need to be a pro to know about equipment or the swing?

My Clubs
Driver - LV4 10* R flex
Wood - sam snead persimmon 2 wood (for windy days)
Hybrid burner tour launch 20* stiff flex.
Irons - Tour Mode 3i,4i stiffIrons - FP's 5-PW R-flexWedge - spin milled 54.14Wedge - spin milled 60.07Putter - Victoria Lowest round 2010: 79 (par 70)Latest rounds at...

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