Aimpoint Green Reading, Extreme Slope

[inthecup]

On 6/19/2019 at 8:32 PM, iacas said:

Yep, I remember it now. Tommy Armour III in our practice round couldn't keep it on the planet from the tee box with a hybrid.

I don't think the slopes are quite that severe. If they were there would not be more than like 1 or 2 pinnable positions.

You have a "4.5" marked in an area with almost no arrows, and a 3.6 nearby, neither of which are really even pinnable themselves. The 5 is not pinnable.

I'm not there, and you are, so while I want to believe you… I basically have a hard time remembering anything anywhere near this severe or that a set of greens like this could exist at anything above even about 7.5 stimp or so.

I measured it with a digital level.  I had a putt Wednesday where I got above the hole and had to putt 90 degrees to the pin to have the putt roll 4 feet past from 20 feet.  I did hit the uphill putt for par.

The person that I was playing with and I then hit several putts each from that spot and my first putt was the best, or at least left the best leave for the second.  If I had had my phone in my pocket I would have taken video.  I'll try and get some video it is a difficult green.  If you get into the rough behind the hole you are pretty much doomed.

[iacas]

I’m not sure what the point of that post was. It doesn’t refute what I said.

Lake View has a severe green or two if you get above the flag. What it doesn’t have is “6-7% almost everywhere.” That wouldn’t be a playable course. That’s not what you have.

On 6/14/2019 at 4:29 PM, inthecup said:

I took the "Classic" Aimpoint class with the book.  My course has greens with extreme slopes, 6-7% almost everywhere.  Is there a way to translate the book into these extreme slopes?  Does Aimpoint express address this?

I don’t think this is accurate, and a 3.6% slope isn’t “6-7” or “almost everywhere.”

[inthecup]

8 minutes ago, iacas said:

I’m not sure what the point of that post was. It doesn’t refute what I said.

Lake View has a severe green or two if you get above the flag. What it doesn’t have is “6-7% almost everywhere.” That wouldn’t be a playable course. That’s not what you have.

I don’t think this is accurate, and a 3.6% slope isn’t “6-7” or “almost everywhere.”

OK, my choice of words was poor. How about the course has several areas where you could get in a situation where you were putting through areas with greater than 4% slope.  As I was measuring the greens it became apparent the slopes were more than Aim point was designed for so I measured less and less points.

I am not sure of your point?  The question was simply is there a logic or mechanism to use the book to judge a putt with greater than 4% slope.  Then everyone started saying it was impossible to have greater than 4%?  You are formally invited to play and experience it for yourself.  I'll buy you a meal and beer after.

[iacas]

I'm making three points, mainly.

1. The old books don't really deal with > 4%. AimPoint Express does.
2. You're not going to have many putts that are > 4%. Not only would you have to be putting directly 90° to a slope, but the slope would have to be 5% or more, too. Now, the way the books work, technically putting 15° up a slope that's 5% can't really be read, but with Express it can.
3. I'm still not sure I buy the numbers on some of those holes. This is almost beside the point, though, so I won't belabor it any more.

Lake View and some other courses nearby have plenty of putts where you actually aim quite a ways away from the putt. Greens where 3' putts can break 3' if you let them. Etc.

They just can't be that common because stuff would be unplayable.