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By saevel25 ·
I've listened to a few podcasts on this. The more I listen, the more I don't have a strong stance for any of the cases. It is a difficult situation for the USGA. They are trying to balance this, but I think I agree that they didn't roll it back enough if they are going to roll it back. I rather them juts roll it back 10% and see how that goes for the next 30 years. I've played golf before hitting it 270 yards. It hasn't been that way since 2002, but golf is golf. I will just adjust my tee box selection and still play. I do not know if the concerns about golf course selection being at jeopardy for amateur golf. I do not know the number of players that are bombing it versus like 15 years ago. I understand where the PGA Tour player are at. I do not know where college, high school, ect... are at. If the USGA is continually having a shorter and shorter list of courses the host tournaments at for amateur golf, then maybe it should be rolled back. I also do not know what would happen to golf when golfers suddenly see a 10% drop in distance. How many will just not play? -
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By Ty_Webb ·
Right - because they basically did next to nothing. They paid lip-service to it, but that's it. I've been listening to the Hack It Out podcast - I'm about half way through so far. It's quite fun listening to Lou Stagner basically eviscerate all the arguments in favor of rollback using the USGA's own reports. Basically new courses built since 2010 are typically larger footprint than courses in the 1980s, but most of that is other changes - specifically that many new courses are built in housing estates and those need more room, so average size is up, but it has nothing to do with how far the golf ball goes. Fairway, green and tee space is virtually the same and that's where most of the "environmentally responsible" points come in. PGA Tour courses median length in 2023 was less than 7200 yards, so it's not like the PGA Tour is playing ridiculously long golf courses. He also regularly posts on Twitter the spread of lengths of second shots on par 4s and par 5s and they do hit plenty of long shots. Also made the point that distance is basically pegged by how wide you hit it and, per Sasho's data, that is basically all to do with how far you hit it, so if you limit balls by 5%, most tour players have that 5% in the tank, which they can use to get back to where they are today without any additional accuracy issues. Haven't got to integrity yet, but Lou sounds excited to get to that and I think he's quite strongly anti-rollback. -
By ChetlovesMer ·
Maybe I'm officially an old fart. I don't like the shotgun format. I also kind of feel like the announcers are "trying too hard" if that makes sense. In terms of trying too hard, I feel the same way about the teams thing. That really feels forced to me. Don't get me started on the flash mob. -
By jsgolfer ·
Same, ^^^. Just can't get excited to see the same guys, for the most part, play every tournament. And not seeing Patrick Reed play golf, is a plus.
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