Specific question about draw and fade

[x-forged]

I will throw my hat into the ring on this topic. Take what you may. I shape my shot in three steps. The technique has prove quite accurate for me so it may help others who are unsure how to go about shaping their shots precisely. I will warn you that it is not pga manual advice however.

i agree, especially with number 2. dont grip and then adust the clubface, adjust the clubface and then regrip.

[Ringer]

So I have been trying to learn to draw and fade the ball but haven't had much luck. I know my distances with each club and I can hit it straight without much problem so I want to learn to work the ball.

Let me tell you something that will probably help clarify things for you. But before I do, let me tell you it's a hotly contested issue. Although the PGA of America disagree's with what I'm about to say, I have confirmed it with both Callaway and Ping labratory technicians and engineers.

The ball STARTS mostly in the direction of the face. The ball TURNS based on the path of the club during contact relative to the face. So in other words, if you are setting up with the clubface AT the target, and swinging on a path that is to the left of the target then the result will be a ball that starts out mostly at the target and fades to the right of the target. This means that the further LEFT you swing, the further RIGHT the ball will turn! Now, there's a goldmine out there for your game if you pay attention. Pay attention to your finish. Work on finishing in different ways. Tinker tinker tinker.... you'll find that working the ball is very easy when you have a specific finish in mind.

[JaY_B]

Let me tell you something that will probably help clarify things for you. But before I do, let me tell you it's a hotly contested issue. Although the PGA of America disagree's with what I'm about to say, I have confirmed it with both Callaway and Ping labratory technicians and engineers.

Out of interest what is the PGA's position on this theory, as I find it hard to grasp how they could not understand the above, even without factual knowledge its quite obvious what you said is correct.

JaY_B

[Ringer]

Out of interest what is the PGA's position on this theory, as I find it hard to grasp how they could not understand the above, even without factual knowledge its quite obvious what you said is correct.

Their current theory is that the ball starts in the direction of the path and cuts or draws based on the clubface. It can be found in the PGA teaching manual and countless writings by Gary Wiren. I believe the reason they are reluctant to change probably has something to do with their close relation to Gary.

[JaY_B]

Oh I see, now I understand your theory a bit more, Thanks for clarification.

[iacas]

Their current theory is that the ball starts in the direction of the path and cuts or draws based on the clubface. It can be found in the PGA teaching manual and countless writings by Gary Wiren. I believe the reason they are reluctant to change probably has something to do with their close relation to Gary.

Or because it's right. Which it is.

And make no mistake about it: my simple comment here is in no way an invitation to once again attempt to convince those of us who know better that you're somehow right. Since the OP's question has been answered...