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What makes one club more "workable" then another?


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I hear people saying that certain iron sets are more workable then others and some drivers are more workable then others. I was just curious as to what makes on club more workable then another?

-My understanding of the term workable, is the ability to draw or fade the ball.
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I hear people saying that certain iron sets are more workable then others and some drivers are more workable then others. I was just curious as to what makes on club more workable then another?

It's a combination of things.

People rarely try to hit the ball higher, but for lower shots a higher center of gravity is helpful. If the CG is too low, you can't (easily) hit a knock-down shot. The sole is another aspect. Thinner soles tend to allow for more workability from a variety of lies. Offset can change things, too. I've always found it tougher to get the timing down with clubs that have offset, and that makes it tough to work the ball. Cavity backs resist twisting, but quite frankly I'm not sure how that does much in terms of workability.

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It's a combination of things.

Ok that makes sense. Thanks.

I have noticed that my BH-5's have a pretty low CG and it does make it difficult to hit knock downs.
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I hear people saying that certain iron sets are more workable then others and some drivers are more workable then others. I was just curious as to what makes on club more workable then another?

The guy swinging it.

I'm guessing that Tiger could take a $100 set from Meijer and work them better than I can my Titleists.
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I hear people saying that certain iron sets are more workable then others and some drivers are more workable then others. I was just curious as to what makes on club more workable then another?

It's a combination of things.

A low center of gravity makes the ball launch higher with more backspin, and the more backspin you put on a ball the less sidespin you'll have, and that is why a golf club with a low center of gravity will be harder to work the ball with than a club with a higher center of gravity.

Cavity back heads do not risist twisting it is the shafts (or more specifically the torque of shafts) that determine how much or little twisting there will be of the club.

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I like cavity backs but i usaully try to just hit it straight, although i do play a draw on my driver

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Cavity back heads do not risist twisting it is the shafts (or more specifically the torque of shafts) that determine how much or little twisting there will be of the club.

With all due respect: no. Given the same shafts a cavity-back club will resist twisting more than a muscleback.

A "cavity" is why the original Ping putter and even the original Ping irons were so popular and set a new precedent.

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With all due respect: no. Given the same shafts a cavity-back club will resist twisting more than a muscleback.

Agreed, the perimeter weighting in the club heads of cavity back irons is what discourages the head twisting at impact. Remember that most musclebacks and cavity backs come fitted with the same stock shaft (R/S 300)

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Cavity back heads do not risist twisting it is the shafts (or more specifically the torque of shafts) that determine how much or little twisting there will be of the club.

I'm sorry, this is incorrect. Perimeter weighting increases the Moment of Inertia of the clubhead. The higher the MOI, the more resistance it has to twisting on off-center impact.

While a shaft with a soft tip will torque more than one with a stiffer tip, it has more to do with timing than anything else.

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