Does YOUR CLUB do this for their Club Championship?

[BSweet]

Over the years I've criticized my club for the way it is runned. They do the following things and I am just curious if your club championship is ran the same way.

1. The winner of the previous year automatically gets the #1 seed the following year.

2. You can qualify with anyone on any day (before the deadline of course) as long as your scorecard is attested.

3. The matches themselves can be done on anyday before the deadline so the two players have to decide on a date.

I absolutely hate the way they do things. For one the previous winner should NOT get the #1 seed. Just because the Giants won the Superbowl doesn't mean they deserve the #1 seed in the playoffs the following year. Stupid.

Also, you should have to play with a random set of people because cliques will play together and play with gimmies or not play by the correct rules. Qualifying should be done on the SAME day so everyone is playing under the same conditions.

#3 is understandable because you need to be flexible, and it wont matter because both players will be playing under the same conditions.


I'm really interested to know how your club is ran so maybe I can get mine changed.

[meenman]

Ours is a bit different - it is 36 holes over 2 days - with us choosing which set of tees we will play from. The real club champion is the one that wins from the tips. But there are winners for each set. Pairing is done by people with similar handicaps. I believe the putting championship is done the friday before but that is not something I have done yet.

[CG031]

I don't see what's wrong with number 1. It's something you earned from the previous championship, a certain respect.

[BSweet]

I don't see what's wrong with number 1. It's something you earned from the previous championship, a certain respect.

I do. You should have to regain the honor. Look at my Giants example.

Give me one example where the winner gets an automatic #1 bid the following year!

[joseywales]

It sounds like your club championship is a match play format. If this is true, that is way different than mine or any around me. We have a 36 hole stroke play format flighted by handicaps. Our head pro knows everyone so well that it is hard to sandbag. I agree with the previous winner getting a free #1 seed. I believe you should have to prove yourself every year to determine seedings, especially in a match play format.

[CG031]

I do. You should have to regain the honor. Look at my Giants example.

I just feel it's kind of an honor and prestige to get the number 1 seed, almost like a reward for winning last years...I don't know, it's just my opinion but I don't think it's as bad as you're making it sound.

[iacas]

I absolutely hate the way they do things. For one the previous winner should NOT get the #1 seed. Just because the Giants won the Superbowl doesn't mean they deserve the #1 seed in the playoffs the following year. Stupid.

You strike me as a bitter person. It seems like a lot of your posts complain or whine about something. I could be wrong, and that's the last moment I plan to think about it.

The guy still has to beat everyone to win this year. What the heck's the big deal? It's not like he gets pushed right on through to the finals. Plus, he was the CLUB CHAMPION. At a CLUB at which I'm guessing you're not the only voting member. He deserves a little respect, and again, he's still gotta beat everyone all over again. Plus, the comparison to team sports is silly.

Give me one example where the winner gets an automatic #1 bid the following year!

http://edga.org/tournaments/match_play/ http://edga.org/tournaments/junior_match_play/ There's two.

[BSweet]

You strike me as a bitter person. It seems like a lot of your posts complain or whine about something. I could be wrong, and that's the last moment I plan to think about it.

I'm really not. This just angers me because my club is a small club so we all know each other and we all know what we normally shoot. So...when club championship time (begins tomorrow btw) these guys come out and shoot like a 75 when they don't normally shoot that.

I thought all clubs do the club championship in match play format but I guess not. For ours we just do a qualifier and then you are put into brackets from there. Does anyone else's course do it this way?

Plus, he was the CLUB CHAMPION. At a CLUB at which I'm guessing you're not the only voting member. He deserves a little respect, and again, he's still gotta beat everyone all over again.

I completely disagree here. He's club champion...that enough honor in it's own right. He does not deserve the #1 seed the next year. Henrik Stenson won the Accenture match play and he didn't get the number 1 seed the next year because that'd be dumb if he did.

You are right he would have to go through everyone again, BUT being the number 1 seed you have the easiest route to the final...

[Three Putt]

Club Champ is the winner of championship flight, 36 holes, stroke play. Gets a picture on the wall holding the hardware, and a sweet parking spot.

2 other flights by hcap, winner by net score.

[mrgilmore]

I dont think the number seed is such a bad thing. Its a good reward for winning the year before.

Our club plays the CC over three saturdays in three seperate grades. C grade for the 20+ handicappers, B grade for the 12-19 handicappers and 0-12 for the A graders.

You dont need to qualify or anything, you just put your name down and play. Theres a nett and gross winner in each grade. I think ours is run very nicely.

[iacas]

I thought all clubs do the club championship in match play format but I guess not. For ours we just do a qualifier and then you are put into brackets from there. Does anyone else's course do it this way?

Ours just does it by handicap bracket.

I completely disagree here. He's club champion...that enough honor in it's own right. He does not deserve the #1 seed the next year. Henrik Stenson won the Accenture match play and he didn't get the number 1 seed the next year because that'd be dumb if he did.

Bit different on the pro side. Don't be silly. I answered your question and gave you two links to COUNTY-WIDE tournaments that give the defending champ the #1 seed. So yeah, it's done, and I believe it's fairly common. It's also done that way at my country club.

You are right he would have to go through everyone again, BUT being the number 1 seed you have the easiest route to the final...

Eh, you've still gotta beat everyone. I say get over it. Go play golf. If a guy cheats to get a higher seed than you, beat him when you play him.

[murdock_]

Over the years I've criticized my club for the way it is

fixed.. it was bothering me

[MellowYellow]

Yeah I saw that runned thing too lol

How do you guys get into all these tournaments? Just being a member at your local course? Ive never joined or even considered it but it sounds like a lot of fun listening to you guys talk about it. I have a few courses close by should I go compare what they offer? Do you guys have any suggestions or tips on getting into these tournaments?

[RemyM]

Over the years I've criticized my club for the way it is runned. They do the following things and I am just curious if your club championship is ran the same way.

1. We do that for the Championship Flight only, the real Club Champion.

2. We have three qualifying weekends, just nedd to play with another member. Championship flight uses two rounds, all other flights one. 3. All our matches are on set days, but we might change that because it cuts out some people who have vacation plans.

[MrKadash]

Interestingly enough, our club doesn't have a match play event format at all, anytime.

Our tournament is a 36 hole, two-day stroke play event that is flighted after the first round, but you can choose to be in the championship flight if you are higher than an 8 index, and regardless of first round score providing you make your intentions known before the tourney begins. If you are lower than an 8, however, you cannot choose to be in a higher flight, and must be in the championship flight. If someone doesn't have an established handicap, then normal flighting occurs after the first round.

[MSDOGS1976]

Ours is a bit different - it is 36 holes over 2 days - with us choosing which set of tees we will play from. The real club champion is the one that wins from the tips. But there are winners for each set. Pairing is done by people with similar handicaps. I believe the putting championship is done the friday before but that is not something I have done yet.

Pretty much the same at my club. No handicaps, strictly medal play.

[Bourbon and Coke]

You are right he would have to go through everyone again, BUT being the number 1 seed you have the easiest route to the final...

Here-in lies your misunderstanding of the theoretical basis of the tournament bracket:

seeding is utterly irrelevant The purpose of playoff bracketing is simple: in each round, the true #1 player must survive. If you have a 16 team playoff, and after the first round the remaining teams are the true #1, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15 and #16 teams, it was a successful round. The seeding can try to estimate where a player lies, but ultimately the tournament bracket is successful if the best player survives each round. If your true #1 is seeded #1 or if he is seeded #64, he will still survive every round. Golf, of all sports, makes seeding irrelevant, because there is no carry-over between "games." The best player isn't inconvenienced by the tournament format if they aren't top-seeded the way they are in physical sports because the level of your current opponent doesn't detract from your future potential. A good golfer will shoot the same low score in every round, immune to the performance of his competition. A basketball team that has to play 3 ultra-physical teams in the opening rounds will be at a disadvantage over a team that played 3 less physical, less competitive teams (because of the nature of substitutions and laying off scoring in the 4th quarter.) A golfer doesn't start taking half-swings on the back 9 if he's up by 30 strokes. Seeding has little effect on the true outcome of tournaments (there may be some exceptions, but they are more prevalent because we remember the exceptions over the rules.) In sports where the current game has no effect on future performance (such as golf, diving, figure skating, or poker and, to some extent, baseball), the seeding is purely for bragging rights and has absolutely zero significant impact on the tournament outcome. This is basic tournament theory and, quite frankly, isn't debatable except by a few discredited economists.

[23Rounder]

Ours is 72 holes strokeplay over 3 weekends. Saturday, Saturday and Saturday / Sunday. It is graded into A 0-10, B 11-17, C 18-27. The top 16 from each grade then qualify for the matchplay.