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A friend of mine told me that he read somewhere that a titanium driver will loose its "snap" after a while. This is a smrt guy ( mechanical engineer) and I trust him but I have never heard this before, so I thought that I would ask a bunch of total strangers instead of doing any actual research on the subject.

Has anyone else heard of this?

Jeff

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Just like a baseball bat, a driver will loose its "pop" over time. However, most drivers will be relatively the same as far as pop for five plus years depending on how much you play.

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Yes, I've heard of it as well. I've also heard of a rough estimate of 10,000-15,000 hits before it starts to lose it's "pop"

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Yeah, it'll take a while. It's not going to happen where you need a new driver every year.

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Yeah, it'll take a while. It's not going to happen where you need a new driver every year.

That's a shame. I was thinking of using that as an excuse to give my wife.

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That's a shame. I was thinking of using that as an excuse to give my wife.

Yeah, that's true...

I noticed you have the R580 woods...I hit one the other dya for the first time (my friend has one)..I loved it. Best 5 wood I ever hit, and I've hit the callaways, cobra, bobby jones, cleveland, etc...i loved it so much... its a few year old model and still feels nicer than any of the new stuff. just my opinion of course..haha..

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Yeah, that's true...

I agree. My wife told me I could buy a new driver for my birthday. I went out and hit a bunch of the new models. i really liked the Nike but I wasn't adding any yardage with it. I just couldn't justify spending the money without any improved results.

It sounds like I can get a few more years of use out my old R580 before I need to worry about it losing its "pop". But, taking this discussion a step further, will a graphite shaft lose any of its characteristics over time? Will the flex change from use? Thanks for the replies. Jeff

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john daly reckons that because the driver faces are soo thin he needs to change like every month otherwise the face becomes caved in.(heard this off a european tour commentator)

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john daly reckons that because the driver faces are soo thin he needs to change like every month otherwise the face becomes caved in.(heard this off a european tour commentator)

John Daly needs to stick to his day job.

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john daly reckons that because the driver faces are soo thin he needs to change like every month otherwise the face becomes caved in.(heard this off a european tour commentator)

Well with how hard he swings at the ball, I wouldn't doubt it, lol.

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Titanium never has any good "pop" to begin with, which is why I only play drivers made with Zolex.

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Titanium never has any good "pop" to begin with, which is why I only play drivers made with Zolex.

I prefer spandex drivers myself, actually.

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Well apparently because daly swings soo hard the face becomes slightly concave. I'm not sure how true this is but thats what he said.

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John Daly needs to stick to his day job.

isnt his day job golf? so paying attention to how his driver performs would be "sticking to his day job" wouldnt it?

Well apparently because daly swings soo hard the face becomes slightly concave. I'm not sure how true this is but thats what he said.

I read an interview with one of the long drive guys (dont remember name). it was in golf digest a couple of years ago. He said that he could only hit a driver for a week before it was toast. he said that he caved in the face of many drivers and had a couple explode on him. If any body knows what specific issue this is from please speak up.

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isnt his day job golf? so paying attention to how his driver performs would be "sticking to his day job" wouldnt it?

After shooting +18 or w/e the heck it was, I'd say golf is NOT his day job. He needs to stick to the beer and smoking.

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I read an interview with one of the long drive guys (dont remember name). it was in golf digest a couple of years ago. He said that he could only hit a driver for a week before it was toast. he said that he caved in the face of many drivers and had a couple explode on him. If any body knows what specific issue this is from please speak up.

It's from hitting the ball so hard. The faces flex (CoR) and at the speeds they hit the ball, they crack because the flex beyond their limits.

You can stretch a rubber band medium distances thousands of times. Stretch it all the way and you might only get to do it twenty or thirty times. Plus, since the long guys hit so many golf balls in that week with one club, they still might hit the ball hundreds and hundreds (or even thousands) of times before it cracks, and again, at exceptional speeds.

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After shooting +18 or w/e the heck it was, I'd say golf is NOT his day job. He needs to stick to the beer and smoking.

haha, you wouldn't break 200 if we sent you on for the British Open in those conditions. John Daly is a great player...he had a rough week, sure, but it's not like he was alone. The conditions were at times, IMO, absurd, and the course was obviously tough in itself just like any other major championship.

And back on topic with what Iacas is saying is basic logic...I mean, the faster your swing speed is if you hitting it solid in the middle of the club everytime (like Daly does most of the time) his is going to wear out or crack quicker than the average golfer's is.

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