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Lately, I've been fiddling with my swing. While it has drastically improved my iron shots, my driver got left behind. Right now, I'm slicing the ball to the point where it takes a good 50-ish yards off my drives. Normally, I get my drives from about 280-300 yards, but I'm lucky if they're going 250 right now. I wouldn't mind 250 if the ball ended up in my own fairway.
I tend to set up with the ball off the inside of my left foot, and that's about it.

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A good little trick that will make you hit through the ball from the inside (ultimately eliminating the banana ball) is to tee up the ball with the logo placed where you want to make contact with the ball first.

Imagine the ball as a clock face (when looking from above) move the logo to between the 4 & 5 on the clock face and force yourself to hit the logo. It will take a while to get confidence but it does work.

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But wouldn't that push the ball out? It just seems weird to hit it from the inside.

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It's not quite as dramatic when you put it into practice. It will just focus you not to hit the 1 or 2 on the clockface which is what you are currently doing. Give it a try you will see what I mean.

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I agree with the Logo trick. It works alot! I had the same problem losing lots of distance, but I tried that and it cancled out the banana ball.

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This works for me, but it might not for you. Generally when I am hitting a slice I think about taking the club back nearly outside(yes i mean outside) and then open my hips on the downswing to let the path go inside-out. The opposite of what you believe you should be doing is what works for me, because the inside-out path does not come from the club but rather opening the hips on the downswing for me. Also try and keep your elbow close into your body but not too close.
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Well, I hit up the range today with some buddies of mine, and man my drives were flying exactly how I wanted them to. I watched this video and followed its tips, and man did it work. Those 50-yard banana slices went to a 3-5 yard fade at most. Just need to make sure I swing like that every time. I also tried hitting the inside of the ball, and I really love the feeling of it. The idea of it seemed weird, but it actually works amazingly. Even when it feels like I should have sliced the hell out of it, it still hardly fades. Thanks a lot guys.

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Well, I hit up the range today with some buddies of mine, and man my drives were flying exactly how I wanted them to. I watched this video and followed its tips, and man did it work. Those 50-yard banana slices went to a 3-5 yard fade at most. Just need to make sure I swing like that every time. I also tried hitting the inside of the ball, and I really love the feeling of it. The idea of it seemed weird, but it actually works amazingly. Even when it feels like I should have sliced the hell out of it, it still hardly fades. Thanks a lot guys.

Glad you got the anoying banana ball sorted out. Hopefully you should have regained your distance too.


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This works for me, but it might not for you. Generally when I am hitting a slice I think about taking the club back nearly outside(yes i mean outside) and then open my hips on the downswing to let the path go inside-out. The opposite of what you believe you should be doing is what works for me, because the inside-out path does not come from the club but rather opening the hips on the downswing for me. Also try and keep your elbow close into your body but not too close.

Yes this will work when you want to hit a slice but you would have difficulty in moving the ball from the left hand side of the fairway to the right hand side of the fairway (ie the banana ball)

Have you not explained a sort of push-slice? Where you start the ball on-line and make it fade hard right - works a treat on a dog leg.

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Glad you got the anoying banana ball sorted out. Hopefully you should have regained your distance too.

Yeah I got the distance back too. The ball is easily going 280+; right where I want to be.

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Follow up:
Well, I went out for a round of 18 today, and my driver was rather finnicky. I was slicing the ball, but also splitting fairways with it. I need to just constantly practice it; not gonna master the hardest club to hit overnight, huh?

-Rich

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