Faders?

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This is an old quote from Trevino, I'm sure most have heard it but it is so true:

"You can talk to a fade, but a hook won't listen".

[birdiemachine]

  VardonFlyer said:

Most tour players can shape both shots as they want, but a fade is far more consistent than draw. In a fade you're hand are farther ahead of your ball than a draw, much like you would hit an iron or wedge. a slight fade also has less spin which equals more distance, higher trajectory which is more controllable, and a fade plays better into the wind. Both swing shapes have their perks, i think its just as effective and easier to hit a fade.

Mickelson and Watney were drawing the ball. They can work it obviously, but they naturally draw it....and Tiger was quoted as saying his best days were a natural draw. This is circa Butch Harmon days though, not Hank Haney. ++++

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  birdiemachine said:

Mickelson and Watney were drawing the ball. They can work it obviously, but they naturally draw it.

Their natural shots are cuts. Watney's always hit a cut - and the announcers (and Butch on Saturday) talked at length about it. Mickelson has played a cut just about every time I've seen him play in person.

  birdiemachine said:

and Tiger was quoted as saying his best days were a natural draw.

Tiger said, IIRC, that he grew up playing a draw. I think you've twisted or "mis-remembered" his words a bit.

[VardonFlyer]

  birdiemachine said:

Mickelson and Watney were drawing the ball. They can work it obviously, but they naturally draw it....and Tiger was quoted as saying his best days were a natural draw. This is circa Butch Harmon days though, not Hank Haney. ++++

ya come on! Mickelson is known for the power fade! his miss and usually tiger's too... is a huge thigh block push... not a snap hook.

[birdiemachine]

correct me if im wrong, but for most of career he was the guy who always hit the draw. When he decided to get serious about the majors he learned to cut it. He even used 2 drivers to prevent the big slice because he wasnt use to that cut.

Watney...Ive never seen in real life.

Tiger pre Haney days, maybe 1999 said his natural ball fliht "natural draw".

Ive seen Tiger and Phil in real life....I did not see a lot of cuts.

[birdiemachine]

well damn....google has proven me wrong on phil, but i maintain im right with tiger..........(.5) rounds to 1