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Right now I only carry a 56 deg. SW (Cleveland 588 RTG) and the PW (46.5 deg, according to the Callaway spec's) that came with my set. They're my 100 and 120 "goto" clubs respectively. One thing I've noticed lately is that there maybe a gap in between these two. After doing some math I've decided if I was to add another wedge it would be a 51 deg. (assuming it's the halfway marker between the two).

Question is is it necessary or more of just a convience?

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IMHO if you can hit 100yds with your 56deg wedge - you really don't need a gap wedge... I use 52, but only because my stinky swing limits 56deg to about 85yds. 52deg covers 95-100yds range, PW 110-115, etc.
I guess it's a personal preference thing together with the problem of the limit to 14 clubs... the 3i, 5W and 60deg clubs are "rotating" in my bag - only two out of 3 make it - based on course I'm playing.
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I agree with rafcin. 20 yards is not much of a gap. I am 85 and 125 thus it is a huge gap and found a 52 to be perfect for it.
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My PW goes 115 or so and my sand wedge (54°) goes 85. So I have a 30-yard gap... but I know how to get 100 yards exactly from my PW, so I really don't have much of a gap at all.

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I hit about 105 avg with my 56* and about 85 with my 60* so there is a humongous gap of 30 yards. I think I spend about 50 percent of my time at the range and course on the short game any where between 5 to 90 yards with my wedges. I think time is the most important thing.

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I hit about 105 avg with my 56* and about 85 with my 60* so there is a humongous gap of 30 yards.

that is 20 yds

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I just can't find the happy place when it gets in the in between yardage..I usally choke down on the PW but figure get the rght club and take a full swing.

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Yeah, my pw goes about 130 and my 56 goes about 100 so I got a 51 degree and i use it for in between those and i usually use it from those bump and run shots that I need to put close. :) hope we helped ya.
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Yeah, my pw goes about 130 and my 56 goes about 100 so I got a 51 degree and i use it for in between those and i usually use it from those bump and run shots that I need to put close. :) hope we helped ya.

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I carry 4 wedges, best thing I ever put in my bag.

60°
58°
56°
52°

I hate making anything but a full swing. And I play in Germany and the sand can get pretty hard, therefore requiring less bounce..

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I carry 4 wedges, best thing I ever put in my bag.

What do you use for a 3ft putt? a toothpick lol.... just ribbin ya a little

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...And I play in Germany...

a bit off topic - where in Germany? I'll be in Cologne August 21 - 25th - would love to hook up with fellow sandtrapper for a round, never played in Germany b4. It will be a stop-over on my way to Scottland to play St. Andrews, so I'll have my sticks with me... Let me know if you're within 100km, I'll have a rental car

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