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Just curious what everyone's putter loft is?

I have a Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Mid-Slant and according to Scotty, the optimum loft is 4º.

I know that loft is designed to lift the ball out of it's depression once it's rested on the green, but I really need to take some loft off my putter I think. Being able to see the face of the putter at address messes with me. I would love to have the face straight up and down but the only way to achieve that is to forward press (which I don't like to do).

Anyway, what loft do you prefer?

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Ha I think mines a 4º, but I prefer to see the face of my putter. I have mine colored in with a red sharpie all except the sweet spot, so I make sure I make pure contact every time. I have no problem putting (I end up delofting it at impact), and there's no bouncing involved what so ever. But at setup, it's probably around a 9º lol.

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2 Hybrid: Callaway Big Bertha Heavenwood
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          Taylormade Tour Preferred PW-7 iron
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It would have a lot to do with your individual stroke wouldn't it? Paricularly if you press. In Phil Mickelson's dvd "Secrets of the Short Game" he says what loft is ideal for contact while putting but I can't offhand remember what it was (I believe it was 2 or 3 degrees).
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Just curious what everyone's putter loft is?

I think most putters have 4 degrees and you don't really want much less than that. I don't see the face on my putter and it's 4 degrees so I'm not sure what you are referring to. By the way, your avatar makes me want to puke.

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Ha I think mines a 4º, but I prefer to see the face of my putter. I have mine colored in with a red sharpie all except the sweet spot, so I make sure I make pure contact every time. I have no problem putting (I end up delofting it at impact), and there's no bouncing involved what so ever. But at setup, it's probably around a 9º lol.

So you color the face of your putter with a red sharpie?

It would have a lot to do with your individual stroke wouldn't it? Paricularly if you press. In Phil Mickelson's dvd "Secrets of the Short Game" he says what loft is ideal for contact while putting but I can't offhand remember what it was (I believe it was 2 or 3 degrees).

Sorry, I wasn't asking what your putter loft as at impact, just the static loft. Everyone's stroke will end up leaving a different loft at impact. Seems like I read that Phil's putter is 6º but as much as he forward presses it's probably more like 3 at impact.

I think most putters have 4 degrees and you don't really want much less than that. I don't see the face on my putter and it's 4 degrees so I'm not sure what you are referring to. By the way, your avatar makes me want to puke.

You must forward press or deloft your putter at address then. If you have loft on your putter you should be able to see the face of the putter when it's behind the ball.

Depends on what philosophy you follow for putting. A lot of people advocate the face of the putter being straight up and down at impact, i.e., zero loft. Others, like Scotty Cameron hold firm that the putter must have 4 degrees of loft at impact for optimum roll. As for the Avatar.... you know you like it.

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Mine is 3 degrees, but don't mind me... I had 36 putts today with five 3 putts.

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Posted
My Rife Antigua only has 2 degrees of loft but the RollGrooves are supposed to compensate for the low loft because they get the ball rolling without needing to get it in the air a little.

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Mine is 4' with a 71' lie, standard for a Scotty. I have a slight forward press however so at impact loft is closer to 3' (as measured via a high speed camera).

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I have a Ping Half Craz E B putter that is ±4°

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4 degree, but at my level I don't think i'd notice the difference between 4, 3, 2, 1, or 0

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2.5*

Not great for shaggy greens but on good greens the ball rolls straight away.
My old putter would bobble for the first few feet.

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Not sure a (now former) friend ran over it near a sand trap, it has been reshafted and I put better with it now. I suspect it is unsure of why it was punished and is on its best behavior.

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2.5*. Seems pretty strong compared to most.

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Posted
Depends on what putter you have. Yes! and Rife putters both have 2 degrees of loft from the factory.

I think it's to do with the grooves.

They need less loft.

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Posted
I think it's to do with the grooves.

I figured. The C Grooves on the Yes kind of lift the ball first.

According to this the standard for all Yes! putters is 2.5*

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Mine is 5° ; I took the Utley specs directly. However, a putter I keep using at the shop that I like has 4°, and I don't think I'd (at least initially) change it if I were to purchase it.

4 degree, but at my level I don't think i'd notice the difference between 4, 3, 2, 1, or 0

You would notice a zero. You'd either be hanging your hands WAY back at impact or the ball wouldn't get rolling without a big hop, as it wouldn't get out of its indentation.

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