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First let’s make an assumption that the swing we are talking about is not a slice or draw, this is a straight shot down the middle with the club head perfectly on plane.

I don’t fully understand the rotation of the shaft during take-away….and throughout the swing and it has been bugging me for some time. Can someone give me a good explanation of how the shaft is supposed to rotate during the swing, what your hands/wrists should be feeling? Where does the clubface/toe point when the shaft is parallel to the ground…..perpendicular to the ground(halfway back)? I know this is a little more than anyone would care to explain but any help/advice on this is much appreciated.

BTW....I have a very neutral grip if that helps any.
Handicap: 10.0 Lowest Round: 80 on 6517yd par72
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Irons: MP-68 PW-3
Wedges: TaylorMade RAC 56 & 52 Putter: Oddyssey Rossie II - "Love it" Ball: NXT TourFavorite/Local Course: Cobblestone GC, Acworth, GA

It would be 10x better if you just post a video of your swing.
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At parallel to the ground on the takeaway I like the clubface (leading edge) to be on the same plane as your spine.

Beyond that, I don't worry about it. It should happen pretty naturally. If you're "spinning" the shaft or rotating it, something else is wrong.

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At parallel to the ground on the takeaway I like the clubface (leading edge) to be on the same plane as your spine.

I would say that is spot on.

In my bag:
Driver: R5 TP Diamana 83s Shaft
Fairway: Burner 15 degree Fujikura REAX
Hybrid: Custom 19 degree
Irons: DCI 990 S300 4-PW

Wedges: NF 52.04*, Spin Milled 56.10* and 60.08*

Putter: Red X3

Ball: ProV1

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Thanks for the replies, I have played baseball for 15+ years so what is natural for you guys sometimes does not feel so natural to me. What I've been trying to do is get the leading edge perpendicular to the ground(when the shaft is parellel), so you are saying at that point the shaft needs to be rotated(I'm not actually rotating it) slightly left so that the leading edge is more in line with my spine angle, I believe I understand now. I've always played around with different take-aways....opening up the clubface more, keeping it closed more. So when the shaft is parallel to the ground, should the back of your hand and forearm be flat, meaning you could put a board on forearm and back of the hand and see no gap in your wrist? Sorry for being so technical, I love technique…..that’s why I shoot in the 80’s after 5yrs of picking up a golf club.

Handicap: 10.0 Lowest Round: 80 on 6517yd par72
Driver: TaylorMade r9 9.5°
Woods: TaylorMade Vsteel 15°
Irons: MP-68 PW-3
Wedges: TaylorMade RAC 56 & 52 Putter: Oddyssey Rossie II - "Love it" Ball: NXT TourFavorite/Local Course: Cobblestone GC, Acworth, GA

It would be 10x better if you just post a video of your swing.

I've never had a video of my swing made but I've been looking at some HD camcorders lately, maybe I can get one this weekend and post a video.

Handicap: 10.0 Lowest Round: 80 on 6517yd par72
Driver: TaylorMade r9 9.5°
Woods: TaylorMade Vsteel 15°
Irons: MP-68 PW-3
Wedges: TaylorMade RAC 56 & 52 Putter: Oddyssey Rossie II - "Love it" Ball: NXT TourFavorite/Local Course: Cobblestone GC, Acworth, GA

At parallel to the ground on the takeaway I like the clubface (leading edge) to be on the same plane as your spine.

I read this all the time online and in magazines. It simply feels too awkward to me to do this. Feels like the clubface is extremely shut. I just get the toe pointing up when the shaft is parallel to the ground and it feels like a much more natural position; for me at least.


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Thanks for the help guys, I've never had any pro instruction so I was uncertain about a few things, this cleared up a few of those.
Handicap: 10.0 Lowest Round: 80 on 6517yd par72
Driver: TaylorMade r9 9.5°
Woods: TaylorMade Vsteel 15°
Irons: MP-68 PW-3
Wedges: TaylorMade RAC 56 & 52 Putter: Oddyssey Rossie II - "Love it" Ball: NXT TourFavorite/Local Course: Cobblestone GC, Acworth, GA

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