Fade with a one plane swing.

[trumpetgolf]

Over the past year, I've tried to play with a one plane swing and have been able to work a controllable draw into my game. Unfortunately, I can't think of an effective way to hit a fade. Is it possible for a one plane player to hit a fade? Do I just have to synthesize an out to in swing by aligning left of target and opening the face or can I do it somehow with normal alignment?

[nlowplacez]

ya im about as one plane as they get and i play a fade mostly. its actually almost harder for me to hit a draw now. i use a slightly weaker grip and align well left of target, usually on drives aiming my feet into the left rough and with approaches somewhere around the left side of green depending on pin placement. using a pretty one plane swing my path is in to out a good bit so i can only play a push fade, which is what i think you meant by synthesizing. oddly, my face is a few degrees open at adress, but i believe it is even a degree or two more open at impact. unlike some people i actually dont try to hold off a release or anything. i just swing my normal swing and the weak grip delays the squaring just enough to put about a 5 yard fade on my ball. theres a lot more little things i can tell you, but if you have any questions just lemme know.

ps yes you can hit a fade with one plane and normal alignment. just because your a one planer doesnt mean you swing in to out. in fact it can promote out to in sometimes. i used to put the ball off my left toe to fade it using my same swing basically. this got the club hitting the ball on the return side of the swing arc which made it out to in, but i was way to prone to pull hooking and pulls. maybe just a matter of preference

[nuck81]

I'm being taught a one plane swing with my lessons. I'm not there yet but my instructor says I'll be able to control my draws and fades by using different hand strengths. If I want to draw firm up the left hand, and to fade you firm your right hand, but like I said I'm a long way from that particular lesson.

[trumpetgolf]

ya im about as one plane as they get and i play a fade mostly. its actually almost harder for me to hit a draw now. i use a slightly weaker grip and align well left of target, usually on drives aiming my feet into the left rough and with approaches somewhere around the left side of green depending on pin placement. using a pretty one plane swing my path is in to out a good bit so i can only play a push fade, which is what i think you meant by synthesizing. oddly, my face is a few degrees open at adress, but i believe it is even a degree or two more open at impact. unlike some people i actually dont try to hold off a release or anything. i just swing my normal swing and the weak grip delays the squaring just enough to put about a 5 yard fade on my ball. theres a lot more little things i can tell you, but if you have any questions just lemme know.

Yea, by synthesizing I meant, the swing plane would be parallel to my feet but by aligning left out to in versus the target line. This results in a push fade (for me) that would normally be someone else's pull fade?

Ball position was another way I had thought about doing it. Basically, someone could move the ball forward in the stance and in to the body to promote the out to in and a little bit back and in to promote a draw? When I was playing with this, it felt like it may be too many variables to be messing around with. As for specific questions, did you have any a ha moments that you felt were beneficial in the development of your swing, swing thoughts, or outside materials (books/videos) that were especially helpful?

[iacas]

Over the past year, I've tried to play with a one plane swing and have been able to work a controllable draw into my game. Unfortunately, I can't think of an effective way to hit a fade. Is it possible for a one plane player to hit a fade? Do I just have to synthesize an out to in swing by aligning left of target and opening the face or can I do it somehow with normal alignment?

Stack and Tilt is a one-plane swing, but the geometry is the same regardless of whether you're a one-plane swinger or a two-plane swinger or Jim Furyk.

The best players always hit the ball on the back side of the circle, but the fade is a bit closer to the breaking point. The best fade is a push-fade, so you line up (and I'm making up the numbers here for example) 10 yards left, aim the clubface 5 yards left, and make your normal swing. If you normally draw the ball that'll probably result in a straight shot, so to fade it you also move the handle just a little back (towards your right) in your setup to change the circle a little bit. You could also move the ball forward in your stance a teeny bit (or some combination of hands back a little, ball forward a little). You keep the same swing this way and just change your alignment and something very small in your setup.

[uttexas]

Ben Hogan is probably the most famous one plane, push fade player.

If you are currently hitting push draws that start right of the target, then draw back; I suggest the following:
Aim and align left of the target and open the clubface, making your same swing.

some links for you:
http://thesandtrap.com/forum/threads...-Fade?p=151237
http://thesandtrap.com/forum/threads...goto%3Dnewpost

[nlowplacez]

As for specific questions, did you have any a ha moments that you felt were beneficial in the development of your swing, swing thoughts, or outside materials (books/videos) that were especially helpful?

ya 5 lessons (hogan) is a MUST. and i used to watch tons of video of hogan swinging, and i actually studied trevino a lot even though i wouldnt call him a one planer. he was a push fader though, and i studied his swing pretty much from puttin the club in the slot on down to the finish. my biggest aha moment was at the range one day and saying to myself "lets try one swing as flat as i possibly can, just take the thing around my ankles." (started as a two planer) when i did that i hit the first ever absolutely pure golf shot of my life. i of course didnt really take it around my ankles or swing as flat as possible, but i felt like i was. from that point on for a few years i played a little baby draw that was kind of mid to low flight and i wanted to hold more greens, so i switched to the fade which only took like a week or two to make the switch and make it consistent. having an almost true one plane swing i dont really have many swing thoughts. i sometimes have to remind myself to turn the hips first and to pay attention to my ball position down to the millimeter since that has the most effect on what my ball does, if my ball pos is off just a little bit i can hit a lot of thin shots and even chunk a few, but puttin the ball in the right place always fixes it (mine is an inch inside the left heel) but as a one planer we don't have to think about tempo and rhythm as much or have as many swing thoughts. you pretty much just bring the club back and GO! feel like ive typed a lot so if you have any other ques just lemme know

[martytilma]

I could be mistaken, but Jack N. said the way he worked the ball was to adjust his club face at address. I usually hit the ball fairly straight. 90% of time if I need to play a fade I can, and all I do is aim left, how far depends on much fade you need, open up your club face a bit and just take your normal swing. Like I said that is about as simple as it gets, and it works for me and I pretty sure it worked for Jack too

[CalBoomer]

Over the past year, I've tried to play with a one plane swing and have been able to work a controllable draw into my game. Unfortunately, I can't think of an effective way to hit a fade. Is it possible for a one plane player to hit a fade? Do I just have to synthesize an out to in swing by aligning left of target and opening the face or can I do it somehow with normal alignment?

Whatever you do, forget about trying for an out-in swing. That is not the correct way to fade the ball. The true "power fade" is always hit with an in-out swing path, and a very slightly open (to the revised target line) club face. If the club face is also open to the swing path, the ball will also slice somewhat. In practice, then, a "power fade" is really a slight straight push. In fact, Ben Hogan frequently wound up hitting the ball dead straight. His real reason for using the "power fade" technique was to avoid an uncontrollable hook which plagued him when he was younger. Among the ways to achieve it: weaker grip (same as slightly opening the club face), ball very slightly back in stance, slightly delayed release.

[delav]

As others have said, hitting a fade is about the relative angle between your swing path and face at impact, not necessarily an out-to-in swing path. Check out this link:

http://fjorla.net/gfx/golfballflight1.png