less dimples .... less side spin ?

[Gerald]

I have been using the Bridgestone e5 for a while and I really like the side spin these balls get when I intend to hit a draw with the driver off the tee ..... last week I bought a dozen of the Srixon AD333 (new model) and all my intended draws went straight into the woods on the right !?!!????

Is it the fewer dimples or just I, me and myself ?

[Shanks A Million]

I have been using the Bridgestone e5 for a while and I really like the side spin these balls get when I intend to hit a draw with the driver off the tee ..... last week I bought a dozen of the Srixon AD333 (new model) and all my intended draws went straight into the woods on the right !?!!????

Nope. For once, the ball has a lot to do with it.

First thing you need to know. The e5 is a urethane covered ball. That in itself means it spins a hell of a lot more. The AD333 has a harder surlyn type cover. There is almost no comparison on the spin. The lowest spin urethane balls spin more than the highest spin surlyn balls . Now, here's where it gets tricky. What I think is going on is that backspin is negating sidespin. If the only change you made was truly the ball, then it does make some sense. What may be happening is that the e5 has enough backspin to hold it on course better. The AD333, however, does not. While the dimple pattern does mean a lot, the cover is much more important in these two. The e5 is designed to have a bit more backspin off the driver, so that does make sense. That's really the only reason I can come up with.

[zeg]

I assume you mean the AD333 fails to draw and just cruises straight (or straighter than you'd like) into the woods? If so, I'd say it's just the cover. No need to worry about the detailed aerodynamics. The e5 is intended as a high-spin ball, the AD333 as a low-spin.

[Shanks A Million]

I assume you mean the AD333 fails to draw and just cruises straight (or straighter than you'd like) into the woods? If so, I'd say it's just the cover. No need to worry about the detailed aerodynamics. The e5 is intended as a high-spin ball, the AD333 as a low-spin.

Oh, that makes more sense. He said "straight" into the woods. I assumed he meant the AD 333 drew too much, which made little sense. No wonder my best theory was so far fetched.

[Gerald]

It might just be my english ...... The AD333 didn't take the draw and the balls went straight into the woods at the right side of the FW ..... I am changing back to the e5 !

[zeg]

Oh, that makes more sense. He said "straight" into the woods. I assumed he meant the AD 333 drew too much, which made little sense. No wonder my best theory was so far fetched.

Yeah, it took me a minute to understand what he was saying (though in retrospect it was accurately described, I just didn't parse the "right" direction correctly).

It might just be my english ...... The AD333 didn't take the draw and the balls went straight into the woods at the right side of the FW ..... I am changing back to the e5 !

I've played my last two 9-hole rounds with the e5 and like it pretty well. The putting feel is fantastic compared to the Warbirds I was playing, and it seems to stop a bit faster on my chips and approaches. I still don't get a lot of spin, but it's better. The first round out I had a lot of trouble with not-quite-slice fishtailing on many shots, but I get a much nicer trajectory with my long irons. I'm pretty happy so far.

[Cornbread]

Nope. For once, the ball has a lot to do with it.

An absolutely false statement. The 3-piece Ad333 has more driver spin than several Urethane covered balls, including the 2-piece E5. Someone needs to do more research prior to making incorrect & misleading statements.

The e5 is intended as a high-spin ball, the AD333 as a low-spin.

Another even more misleading statement. Please go do your research prior to making such totally false statements.

Don't believe me, then go argue with the USGA test results, and several major magazine tests results. E5 Driver spin = Low Short Iron Spin = Medium AD333 Driver Spin = Medium Short Iron Spin = High Results from the USGA Golf Ball Test

[Shanks A Million]

An absolutely false statement. The 3-piece Ad333 has more driver spin than several Urethane covered balls, including the 2-piece E5. Someone needs to do more research prior to making incorrect & misleading statements.

Care to back that up with some evidence?

[zeg]

Another even more misleading statement. Please go do your research prior to making such totally false statements.

Dude, lose the attitude. If you disagree, just say it, it doesn't help to act like a self-important jerk while doing so.

From AD333 description on a few sites: "Provides faster ball speed with the same optimal high launch angle and low spin launch conditions" If that's incorrect, it's incorrect. If you have information to the contrary, just provide it. Spare us all the breathless dramatics.

[Cornbread]

IT appears in your hast to chastize me, you failed to review all the info (evidence) I posted ...

E5 - Driver spin = Low --------- Short Iron Spin = Medium
AD333 - Driver Spin = Medium -------- Short Iron Spin = High

Based on results from the USGA Golf Ball Test

[sean_miller]

I have been using the Bridgestone e5 for a while and I really like the side spin these balls get when I intend to hit a draw with the driver off the tee ..... last week I bought a dozen of the Srixon AD333 (new model) and all my intended draws went straight into the woods on the right !?!!????

Unless you're going from a persimmon driver to a new driver, I wouldn't expect so much diference from one ball to the next. Maybe less draw, but not perfectly straight.

[Shanks A Million]

IT appears in your hast to chastize me, you failed to review all the info (evidence) I posted ...

So, you're going with the obscure definitions "high," "medium," and "low?" Again, cite your information please. Your short iron spin numbers already directly contradict the ones I gave.

E5 - approx 33° launch at 5,500 RPM AD333 - approx 37° launch at 4,200RPM Source = http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-equip...alls_spinchart

[bcgolf]

An absolutely false statement. The 3-piece Ad333 has more driver spin than several Urethane covered balls, including the 2-piece E5. Someone needs to do more research prior to making incorrect & misleading statements.

Isn't the Srixon AD333 a 2 piece ball ?!

[Cornbread]

Nope. 3 piece.

[HytrewQasdfg]

So, you're going with the obscure definitions "high," "medium," and "low?" Again, cite your information please. Your short iron spin numbers already directly contradict the ones I gave.

I seem to recall that the Gamer-V2 was the only non-urethane ball that even approached the spin rates of the urethane balls.

[Shanks A Million]

I seem to recall that the Gamer-V2 was the only non-urethane ball that even approached the spin rates of the urethane balls.

Nah, there's a few others, Nike One Vapor, Trispeed Tour, etc. But it is true, the highest spin surlyn ball spun less than the lowest spin urethane ball. For this reason, the e5 was likely taking the spin, while the AD333 was not.

[zeg]

Nope. 3 piece.

BZZZT. Sorry Cornbread. Unless the Srixon website is showing a photoshopped case, and they're lying on the "Technology" tab here (

http://www.srixon.com/index.php?&fun...T;:4idb50bsvoc6 ), it's a 2-piece. Wasn't someone blathering something about not posting without doing research?

[Chief Broom]

The Tri-speed is Srixon's mid-level three piece ball. The AD333 is a two piece distance ball (meaning low spin across the board). I don't think ball cover material has much to do with spin off the driver. It's with your wedges and irons that have deep aggressive grooves that a softer cover material is able to dig into the grooves and produce more spin. Spin off your driver is more dictated by the ball's compression and it's areodynamics. That isn't to say the driver won't produce much spin but that happens because of your angle of attack, club face angle, and swing path direction. Most modern drivers don't even have grooves in the club's sweet spot. The Bridgestone e5 has fewer and larger dimples which tend to produce higher flight (areodynamically), and it has a higher compression. That higher compression tends not to compress so much against the driver and that also helps to produce more spin off the driver. In contrast their e6 ball is a low compression 3 piece ball that is designed to minimize spin off the driver for less side spin and straighter flight. In reference to the OP the e5 should be a ball that he can more easily work left or right with the driver, and the AD333 being a lower compression two piece distance ball will favor straighter flight.