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Range session #1 trying to fix my swing plane was an epic failure...got good contact on maybe 4 of the 45 balls I hit. Here's a video...lighting is really bad, but you can see most of the swing:

Your hands are way out, and the club is well inside when you take it away. That's actually making it worse. You want the downswing to be flatter, but your backswing is too flat.


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Range session #1 trying to fix my swing plane was an epic failure...got good contact on maybe 4 of the 45 balls I hit. Here's a video...lighting is really bad, but you can see most of the swing:

At setup do you feel the way your left arm touches your left chest slightly? Squeeze that more on the backswing to drive your hands IN (towards your butt, "behind you"). You have what some call "pop out" where your hands move AWAY from you at the start when they should feel like they're getting closer to you. The backswing plane is back, up, AND IN. A lot of people miss the "IN" part until really late and then they can't possibly get enough.

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Your posture is really really bad.

I have back problems so it's kinda hard for me to keep it straight...I'll have the occasional swing where I'll get a shooting spasm all through my back and I just drop.

Last 5 Rounds: 103 (+38), 124 (+42), 101 (+36), 104 (+39), 109 (+44)

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Results have been improved, but my putting has gone downhill, my driver has too, and my irons don't go near as far as they should. I'll get video up the next time I go out next week. I've gotten my first birdie and first two GIR's the last two times out, but I still have 2 bad shots for every good one I hit.
Last 5 Rounds: 103 (+38), 124 (+42), 101 (+36), 104 (+39), 109 (+44)

Results have been improved, but my putting has gone downhill, my driver has too, and my irons don't go near as far as they should. I'll get video up the next time I go out next week. I've gotten my first birdie and first two GIR's the last two times out, but I still have 2 bad shots for every good one I hit.

Rome wasn't built in a day. It takes many years and the sweat of millions to form an empire that lasts the test of time. As for golf, probably just as hard. When you make a change, at first you will get better, and hit it well, because it's your swing thought. Then, as your body starts to adapt, you hit it worse as you settle in. After a while, it becomes second nature, and you hit it well again. Problem is, most people get through the initial phase, the better one, and give up when things get worse, and the old fault comes back. It takes a while to let changes set in, so be patient. It took me something like a month or more to shorten my swing from its former past parallel John Daly lookalike to the modern short, J.B. Holmes type of length.


Here's my driver swing today. It's gotten to the point where I can't even hit it anymore...4/14 fairways today and a few of them barely made it far enough.

Last 5 Rounds: 103 (+38), 124 (+42), 101 (+36), 104 (+39), 109 (+44)

Here's my driver swing today. It's gotten to the point where I can't even hit it anymore...4/14 fairways today and a few of them barely made it far enough.

Yeah, well it's going to take some time. You're trying to help the ball into the air, and because of that, flipping and reverse pivoting. The arms dominate, and the hips don't slide. All of this will make it nearly impossible to hit a ball well. You need to really, really work hard on breaking your body's natural tendencies. It will feel so extreme, you may think you're overdoing it tenfold. When it feels like that, go ten times

farther . The proper swing will feel so bizarre, and so weak to you. You have to expect going to the range and hitting maybe one or two balls in a hundred well.

he backswing plane is back, up, AND IN

Is it in that sequence?

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Yeah, well it's going to take some time. You're trying to help the ball into the air, and because of that, flipping and reverse pivoting. The arms dominate, and the hips don't slide. All of this will make it nearly impossible to hit a ball well. You need to really, really work hard on breaking your body's natural tendencies. It will feel so extreme, you may think you're overdoing it tenfold. When it feels like that, go ten times

Understood. My irons are actually pretty decent now...getting them in the air, better distance, etc. Still some very bad shots, but the good shots are becoming more and more abundant as I go. My driving ability has vanished in the midst of the swing change. I was cranking it dead straight, 200-225 (short, but I'll take it) with consistency but now I either get way under the ball or hit it clean and slice it. Even when I make a conscious effort to not drop my back shoulder, I get way under it. If I could hit my 3 hybrid worth a damn, I would ditch the driver completely.

Last 5 Rounds: 103 (+38), 124 (+42), 101 (+36), 104 (+39), 109 (+44)

Understood. My irons are actually pretty decent now...getting them in the air, better distance, etc. Still some very bad shots, but the good shots are becoming more and more abundant as I go. My driving ability has vanished in the midst of the swing change. I was cranking it dead straight, 200-225 (short, but I'll take it) with consistency but now I either get way under the ball or hit it clean and slice it. Even when I make a conscious effort to not drop my back shoulder, I get way under it. If I could hit my 3 hybrid worth a damn, I would ditch the driver completely.

Well, my point stands, don't get discouraged by bad shots. You have to hit many bad shots if you ever want to hit good ones. As long as you keep uploading your swings here, we can make sure you're taking the right path. About once every two weeks or so, upload a down the line and a face on shot. You can be a single digit within a year if you work at it. There are a few parts of the game that can take their toll. The first is the journey from hacker to decent player. Then comes the journey from single digit to scratch. Probably next comes the scratch to plus handicap, and duking out on mini tours, trying to get into a Nationwide tour event.


Have you taken any lessons?

No, can't afford them ATM.

Last 5 Rounds: 103 (+38), 124 (+42), 101 (+36), 104 (+39), 109 (+44)

No, can't afford them ATM.

I can relate to you on the lack of funds.

Try to study some of the on-line instruction and build your swing from scratch.

Is it in that sequence?

That's what it feels like in sequence. To me, it feels like arms going straight back (as a result of shoulders rotating vertically), then I feel my right wrist hinging/left wrist cocking and right elbow bending (hands go up), then I try to reach my hands as far in (behind me) as I can.

Of course, while you are doing all this, your hips are rotating and spine extending, which results in an arc or plane hand path and club head path.

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Today's update: still can't break 100 on my local Par 65...103 today. The good news is that my putting and short game are improving. The bad news is that my driver is not. Here's the video.


Last 5 Rounds: 103 (+38), 124 (+42), 101 (+36), 104 (+39), 109 (+44)

Sorry dude I know you said you cant afford lessons atm but just save up because if you want to get better then you need instruction, you're scooping, reverse pivoting and Ive never said this before but you hit that drive fat. Get lessons, stick with the game and you,ll improve immensely

Why are you hitting a driver on a par 65 course?

I play on a shorter course than most so I hit my hybrid off of most of the tees. I can hit it 200 yards and I´ll be on the fairway.
It´s better to be 150 yards out and on the fairway than 130 yards out and in the rough.

Don´t bother taking such a long backswing. Do a 3 quarter swing. Your trying to hit it too hard

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