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I have searched and found many threads with info and some that say there should be a full review of the flightscope soon can't find it. My question I am going to buy a launch monitor for helping myself and teaching my son so it won't be for making money just personal use. I'm looking at the Vector pro and the flightscope prime, I know the trackman is the best but it is hard to justify that much money, what does anyone think of the others? If you were going to buy which one would you get and why. Thanks for any help.

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I have searched and found many threads with info and some that say there should be a full review of the flightscope soon can't find it. My question I am going to buy a launch monitor for helping myself and teaching my son so it won't be for making money just personal use. I'm looking at the Vector pro and the flightscope prime, I know the trackman is the best but it is hard to justify that much money, what does anyone think of the others? If you were going to buy which one would you get and why. Thanks for any help.

You can justify $8k for a Flightscope for you and your son to use, though?

We've not had much chance to do the FS review. It's still planned, though.

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Iacas, yes I can justify 9k for the flightscope but am wondering if it is that much better than the Vector pro. Is it more accurate ect. Can you give me your quick thoughts on the flightscope. Thanks

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Iacas, yes I can justify 9k for the flightscope but am wondering if it is that much better than the Vector pro. Is it more accurate ect. Can you give me your quick thoughts on the flightscope. Thanks

I think it's worth it, yeah. It's very fairly priced. But the last 20% of the functionality is 80% of the cost in machines like this...

But here's what I'd do if I were you - look at the market for a used Vector Pro. If they still sell for a good rate buy one, use it, and then sell it if you don't like it. Or you may end up keeping it.

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So the Vector pro is the way to go?

yea check ebay for used ones. Usually the only people who would spend 9 grand on something like that is a business who makes money off of it and needs it for their customers. It might be better to find a place who has one and pay to use it. Those things cost the price of a decent used vehicle,lol.


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I'm not worried about the 9k for the flightscope if it is that much better than the Vector pro, I was looking for reviews and opinions from first hand use if possible. I will look for a vector and give it a try unless there are any other opinions. Thanks

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I have found a Vector pro but am still not sure about the accuracy of them does anyone have first hand knowledge of the vector pro and how good or not it is. TIA

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$9000 will buy a whole lot of range balls and lessons. Hell, even a Wii with A Tiger Woods game would make more sense then dropping 9k but it's your money.

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Ive used vector pro's for a fair while when do fittings. They are great!

Im also looking at buying a second hand Vector Pro, they have been seeling for Min 800$ US on Ebay and about 2500$ max.

Ive talked it over with my golf coach and they said it would be worth while buying one since I do lots of practise and since it's winter down here and it's been raining and alot of courses are closed because of all the rain. Ill wait for one to go cheep and then it;s mine :P

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