Great Tiger Woods caddy view swing (slow motion)

[majorchamp]

I have been scouring the interwebz...ok YouTube... just trying to find some nice slow motion Tiger Woods caddy view swings (harder to find than you think).

The reason for looking, besides just always being in awe of his swing, is I have been very analytical of my own swing for quite some time and I have been trying to compare the downswing motions of my swing to motions he creates.

One thing I see him do, including all the best players, is their downswings do not appear "rounded" but more vertical. Their bodies move forward and their hands almost drop vertically. When looking at my own swing, and many other amateurs, we tend to make our downswing match the motion of our backswing, which is often more rounded.

So my downswing motion appears to be rounded and "underneath" if that makes sense, whereas his and other pros is from the top and attacking the ball from from above, not underneath.

Maybe I am off my rocker with that analysis, but visually that seems to be what is happening.

[Zeph]

So my downswing motion appears to be rounded and "underneath" if that makes sense, whereas his and other pros is from the top and attacking the ball from from above, not underneath.

I think the club is the reason for it. His hands move down, so do yours, but his club is not cast out early, which a lot of amateurs do. This makes the swing look more rounded. Compare his hand, arm and shaft positions to yours from P5 to P7.

Since you are working on getting the arms down faster and unloading #4, you can try forward aiming point drill. Focus your eyes a foot in front of the ball and try getting the arms from the top of the backswing to that spot in front of the ball as soon as possible in the downswing. I see you have limited space to record face on view, but you should try getting the camera in front more. Doesn't matter if you don't see your whole body all the time, depends what you are looking for. If the mats on your range are loose, pull it more back and put the camera right over the top of the barriers shielding the mat in front of you. The camera should be at waist height, but if you have to put it slightly higher, that's fine. Just make sure it aims straight forward.

[majorchamp]

Thanks zeph, I will respond in full later. Want to make sure this thread focuses on tiger and less my swing since I already have a swing thread.

[iacas]

Both are round. Since the left arm stays pretty straight it's going to go in an arc unless you could somehow move the shoulder in such a way that the line would be straight.

The hitter in TGM terms will "feel" like he's driving his right arm straight down at the aiming point, btw.

Oh, red and green are backswings. Orange and yellow are downswings. Clubhead and right thumbnail.

[PiustheDrGolf]

As you pointed out, the yellow line shows Tiger's right thumbnail. It looks to me that top to about half way of his downswing, it is 'Round' but got whole lot more radius than half way to impact. If you re-draw his right elbow from top to half way, it will be straight down. My question is ... to do 'THAT', does golfer need to use right arm to do that? if it does, is he 'Hitter' in TGM term?

[majorchamp]

Dumb question, what does tgm mean?

Erik, in an ideal swing will the yellow line typically have less of of an arc or radius then the green arc? Meaning even though the golf swing naturally has arcs in both directions, does the downswing have more of a vertical or steep nature to it compared to the backswing?

also, I love the mental idea of driving the right arm down to impact. I was messing with this last night actually.

Hey everyone, Eriks drawing inspired me, so I went the extra mile and made an animated gif that shows Tiger's hand positions on the backswing and downswing, plus showing the exact swing path/arc he follows which both his backswing and downswing.

The downswing "definitely" has a steeper arc to it, which relates to Eriks comment about the right arm "feel" moving toward the impact zone.

Maybe it doesn't help others, but it helps me understand a bit more about what is going on in the golf swing.

Small tidbit about my swing regarding what Zeph said earlier...I will have to do the same model below on my own swing and compare, but I am guessing my downswing follows a very similar path as my backswing in terms of relative "steepness" or lack thereof. Will post a animation in my own thread later.

[PiustheDrGolf]

Dumb question, what does tgm mean?

Check out this link.

http://www.tgmgolf.com/

[senorchipotle]

Dumb question, what does tgm mean?

tgm=the golfing machine

it all depends on what your ''ideal'' shot is going to be. if you want to hit it higher, you're going to come down and sweep the ball from a shallow angle. conversely if you want to hit a low trapper, you're going to be pretty steep on the drop down.

[senorchipotle]

i think one of the biggest things i noticed in this swing is his right heel. it's staying down until after the ball is struck, which is no small feat cause he's always been a heel kicker on the downswing.

[majorchamp]

tgm=the golfing machine

when I say ideal swing, I am referring to not an ideal shot or anything, but if one wants to look at Tiger's swing mechanics as "extremely good", then we can use his swing as a model for what a golfer could/should emulate, and with that said I am saying if his swing mechnically and fundamentally above is that of "ideal", then should the downswing "arc" be steeper.

Based on the animated analysis I showed earlier, that "does" seem to be the case.

[zeg]

Worth noting (probably obvious to some, but just in case) that the lines that Erik drew match pretty much exactly with one of the figures in Hogan's 5 Lessons. He very strongly emphasizes that you do not want your downswing to re-trace your backswing, and the video here shows that in action.

[sacm3bill]

Hey everyone, Eriks drawing inspired me, so I went the extra mile and made an animated gif that shows Tiger's hand positions on the backswing and downswing...

Dude, do you realize those arcs showing the hand path are very similar to the Nike swoosh? With a little editing this would make an awesome Nike commercial.... like, draw the lines over the image of Tiger as you've done, then fade everything out except the lines, and morph them into the swoosh against a black background... You could pitch that to Nike and make millions! You're welcome!

[senorchipotle]

when I say ideal swing, I am referring to not an ideal shot or anything, but if one wants to look at Tiger's swing mechanics as "extremely good", then we can use his swing as a model for what a golfer could/should emulate, and with that said I am saying if his swing mechnically and fundamentally above is that of "ideal", then should the downswing "arc" be steeper.

well, how do you know tiger wasn't swinging with the intent of hitting a mid-low trajectory shot here? in which case, the ideal swing would be steeper. just as if the intent were to hit a high fade, the ideal swing would be shallower. my point is, the ideal swing is dependent upon the ideal shot you're wanting to hit.

[majorchamp]

well, how do you know tiger wasn't swinging with the intent of hitting a mid-low trajectory shot here? in which case, the ideal swing would be steeper. just as if the intent were to hit a high fade, the ideal swing would be shallower. my point is, the ideal swing is dependent upon the ideal shot you're wanting to hit.

your right, and given this looks to be a mid to high iron, might be the case. His 3 iron swing will be shallower I imagine. However, with that said, I think is mechanics here are quite sound, even if we are talking a regular mid iron swing and just something someone could absorb as the appropriate "motions" to emulate.

[majorchamp]

Dude, do you realize those arcs showing the hand path are very similar to the Nike swoosh? With a little editing this would make an awesome Nike commercial.... like, draw the lines over the image of Tiger as you've done, then fade everything out except the lines, and morph them into the swoosh against a black background... You could pitch that to Nike and make millions! You're welcome!

I will give you a cut of 50%!

[iacas]

My question is ... to do 'THAT', does golfer need to use right arm to do that? if it does, is he 'Hitter' in TGM term?

Again there's almost no pure "hitter" or "swinger" in golf. Everyone is some mix of both. Payne Stewart was more of a swinger, John Rollins is more of a hitter... but they're not 100% and may not even be 90%. In many ways it's kind of pointless to try to figure out how much of one you are.

Erik, in an ideal swing will the yellow line typically have less of of an arc or radius then the green arc? Meaning even though the golf swing naturally has arcs in both directions, does the downswing have more of a vertical or steep nature to it compared to the backswing?

Yes, the backswing is always outside of the downswing...

it all depends on what your ''ideal'' shot is going to be. if you want to hit it higher, you're going to come down and sweep the ball from a shallow angle. conversely if you want to hit a low trapper, you're going to be pretty steep on the drop down.

Not necessarily. I can "come down steeply" and still drive the ball high into the air. There are a lot more components to the swing than your angle of attack... particularly when this thought smells like a "feel" thing to me.