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Hey Guys!

Just wanted a little insight from you. I just started playing golf within the last 2 months, and im hooked. I have been playing twice a week and am really enjoying it. My grandfather gave me a rare set of Guerin Rife Irons that i have been using, but i found out that there pretty rare and am wanting to put them away til i can sell them or just hold onto them, i havent decided.

I went to my local golf store to look at clubs but there were very intense and were reccomending clubs sets that were like a grand and using all kinds of terminology that i didnt know i think on purpose to show how much more they knew than me.

So i was hoping you guys could reccomend a few sets that i can go and look at without succumbing to pressure from the sales people.

I would like to get a decent set that i can use for a while! I have about 500-600 to spend. I already have a adams driver and woods that i am happy with at the moment

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Check out the Adams iron sets like the A7. They are around $400 and very good since they come with hybrids instead of long irons. Welcome to the game and good luck with your search.

« Keith »


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My $.02: for that amount of cash, find a decent shop that will do custom fitting and go through the process. If your clubs don't fit your height/swing, you're off to a bad start. As you learn the game, you can always adjust your clubs as you go. Most shops will deduct the fitting price from your purchase price, too. Don't be afraid to get them to match prices from internet retailers, even Ebay. Make them work for your business! If you feel uncomfortable or like you are being pushed into a purchase, walk. I have had great luck with TaylorMade irons, but major (and most minor!) brands will be top quality. Find what you like that you can afford, and cave the face in! Good luck!

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I did not buy my first set of new clubs until this year (9 years of playing); all clubs were slightly used off ebay (one demo set from club pro shop); my first set was new from Golf Town, but they were a gift.

You can get a new or almost new set off ebay for less than $300. The set I just moved on from were Cleveland CG2's (still played by a few touring pro's), they cost me $180 and were near mint (new they would have been around $900 CAN).

You should get measure for what would be a typical set-up for your wrist measurement to the floor. You might be plus minus a degree (or 2) lie angle. Then look for any intermediate set that fits the bill on ebay or RockBottomGolf. If you measure anything other than standard, deals get even better...

With a used set, you'll have some resale value and switching from set to set as you progress will be very cheap. I'm on my 5th set in 9 years...

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 Nickent 4DX KBS Hybrid Stiff 3,4  | Cobra S3 Pro 5-PW Project X 5.5  |
 Scratch 53*, 59*  |  Odyssey Backstryke  |  Srixon Z Star


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I second the idea of the Adams A7 set. A great deal at $399. I would also check out the Taylormade Burner Plus, a great game improvement iron that is down to $399. Both can be had on ebay for even less.

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Check out the Adams iron sets like the A7. They are around $400 and very good since they come with hybrids instead of long irons. Welcome to the game and good luck with your search.

would you reccomend a hybrid to a beginner? The remind of me of shrunked woods! lol

When you say custom fitting does that mean finding the appropriate the length of the shaft a lie of the club face?

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When you say custom fitting does that mean finding the appropriate the length of the shaft a lie of the club face?

Yes, it would give you the appropriate length of club and lie. It should also let you know things like grip size, shaft flex, etc.


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i would get a set of tour edge exotics custom fitted had mine done for just over 500 and that included the fitting

plus they have a lifetime Warranty

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Get fit for length and lie only, you don't even know how you'll swing the club in a year. Unless you already swing a driver 100 MPH, just about any regular steel shaft will do for now. Spend $150-200 on ebay

Even better, buy these. http://www.rockbottomgolf.com/cosmo-...et-steel.html#

Yes they are very cheap at $49, but you need to know the story behind the company. Cosmo Golf was a leading components maker in Canada until they went belly up 2 years ago, they were around for more than 20 years and many pro shops used them to custom fit. These are a knockoff of the ping i5/10 series, but the long irons are more like the G5/10 (wider sole). 17-4 steel is used by many of the big brands. The shaft in these clubs would cost you $200 to buy separate at golfsmith.

My first set 9 years ago was this same brand, I broke 80 with them within 5 years and moved on to players clubs.

Spend the other $550 on lessons and you'll take 2 years off your progress as a player...

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Cobra Amp Cell Pro Black Tie 7M3 Stiff  |  LS Hybrid Kurokage Stiff  |
 Nickent 4DX KBS Hybrid Stiff 3,4  | Cobra S3 Pro 5-PW Project X 5.5  |
 Scratch 53*, 59*  |  Odyssey Backstryke  |  Srixon Z Star


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Used used used used used. You can get some VERY high quality clubs at great prices and with little wear. When you turn 16 do you purchase a brand new car or get a good quality (even a hand me down) vehicle to cut your chops with? Nicer cars come later. Financially it makes sense.

Get some lessons, play for months and months, hit balls, buy some shoes and a bag, or do all of the above with the money saved by NOT buying brand new clubs. I also strongly suggest you do NOT get fitted, other than for club length. Your swing will be changing a lot as you learn the game, your height will not.

Listen to the salespeople, try hitting some of the newer clubs... Then go to thenused rack or online. Our Golfsmith has more than 250 sets of irons for sale at any given time. Do you have anything similar?

I still play the same irons I got in 1995. Last three rounds of the year were 78, 80, and 77 on tough tracks. Arrows are nice, but the Indian is more important.

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Posted
You can get complete sets plus a stand bag for less than $200 at most sporting goods stores. That's the route I went and I was breaking 90 with those clubs before I upgraded.

Bill


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Get fit for length and lie only...Spend $150-200 on ebay...Spend the other $550 on lessons and you'll take 2 years off your progress as a player...

This gent is absolutely correct, purchase a set of clubs with a good/large cavity back from a reputable brand and have your local store adjust the length and lie (very cheap!). Your swing will change considerably, and the clubs you buy now, you will probably "outgrow" in 12 months time. Spend that money on lessons and range practise getting better instead.

I'm on my 3rd set of irons now, and they've all been second hand so don't be afraid of second hand clubs. At the end of the day it's a chunk of metal. If looked after well it will last a long time!

Cobra - Speed Pro 8.5º X-Flex, Speed Pro 13º S-Flex | Mizuno - MP CLK 20º Hybrid, MP-67 DG S300 4-PW | Cleveland - CG10 52º,56º, 60º | Rife - Antigua Island 34"


Posted
Wilson Di9 5-pw. As a beginner you probably won't be hitting 3 or 4 irons for a little while anyway and a bargain for an 8 iron set at under $200. Nice big cavity in the back of the club to help as you've just started, and that's plenty to spend tbh...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Wilson-Golf-Staf...ht_2617wt_1078

Or even hunt about and get some second hand if it proves even cheaper?

Cobra - Speed Pro 8.5º X-Flex, Speed Pro 13º S-Flex | Mizuno - MP CLK 20º Hybrid, MP-67 DG S300 4-PW | Cleveland - CG10 52º,56º, 60º | Rife - Antigua Island 34"


Posted
Hey Azandford,

I agree with most the the forum. I'd go for a nice used set with very little wear on them. When I started playing I was lucky enough to get a set of MacGregor NvG2 MT Mid Irons (PW-4)for a GREAT price and very little wear. Good luck with everything.

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