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Hey there guys,

I have had a few threads removed over the last couple of months, every time I have ask Erik about it he said it must have been a moderator that removed due to it breaking a rule and that we don't log why posts are deleted (just at the discretion of the moderators) thing is I never post anything that I see as outside the rules and think all my threads to be valid and within the forum rules.

As there is no record of why some of my threads get deleted I will never know what I am doing wrong? other forums I am on, you get a mail stating that your post was deleted and by whome, which I think this forum is missing.


So as an example I posted a thread about Mo Norman, entitled "THE MOST AMAZING GOLFER THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN." with a link to a video on YouTube and some basic stats about his career.

This was posted in the "Golf Talk" forum and on checking today the post has gone.

So in an attempt to find out what I seem to be doing wrong, can the moderator that binned this post please let me know why?

Cheers in advance guys

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Don't worry. You're not the first, nor the last person to have one of their posts deleted. I had a few deleted when I first joined, so I started to use the search engine to check if my question or post had already been discussed in a prior thread.

My guess for why your post was removed is because there already is a Moe Norman thread on the boards.

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Glad I am not the only one

Thats the thing mate, I searched for Mo Norman and went through the 4 odd pages and found no threads titled Mo Norman, so what am I meant to do, look at every page of each thread in case he is mentioned in one of them? I don't think so some how.

Hopefully I will get a reason for my post being deleted from one of the mods, instead of just having to accept that if they delete one it was done because it broke "one" of the rules.

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I didn't do it, but, because there have been a lot of Moe Norman threads (in particular I've seen that video before), it was merged into another thread. Here is the link to your first post:

FWIW, I found it by searching for "Moe Norman" and then clicking the first one (because it's the only Moe Norman thread recently so I clicked the one with recent replies). I navigated to what is, for me, the fifth page, and there is was. Complete with the title you gave it: "THE MOST AMAZING GOLFER THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN"

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I didn't do it, but, because there have been a lot of Moe Norman threads (in particular I've seen that video before), it was merged into another thread. Here is the link to your first post: http://thesandtrap.com/forum/thread/1063/moe-norman/72#post_568922

FWIW, I found it by searching for "Moe Norman" and then clicking the first one (because it's the only Moe Norman thread recently so I clicked the one with recent replies). I navigated to what is, for me, the fifth page, and there is was. Complete with the title you gave it: "THE MOST AMAZING GOLFER THE WORLD HAS NEVER SEEN"



Cheers Jamo, guess I searched for Mo Norman instead of Moe Norman and that is why I did not find any threads before posting it Still at least I now know why it was merged, but does no one think it would be a good idea for some form of notification? this coudl be just a PM stating your thread has been deleted/moved/merged.

Also it no longer shows under My Profile and All Recent Activity which I would assume it should if it has been merged as it is still a valid post?

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Originally Posted by Ash1974

Cheers Jamo, guess I searched for Mo Norman instead of Moe Norman and that is why I did not find any threads before posting it   Still at least I now know why it was merged, but does no one think it would be a good idea for some form of notification? this coudl be just a PM stating your thread has been deleted/moved/merged.

Also it no longer shows under My Profile and All Recent Activity which I would assume it should if it has been merged as it is still a valid post?


As Jamieson pointed out, your post was not deleted. This is clear if you search your "posts by this user" thing: http://thesandtrap.com/forum.php?action=postsbyuser&id;=20074 .

If you don't have the time to look for an existing thread in which to post your video, I think it's unfair to expect us to have to notify you when we already have the task of merging that thread into the existing one(s). It's just more unnecessary work, and given the fact that a day is only 24 hours long, it simply isn't going to happen most of the time. If you want to save yourself the worries, do a little more searching and post in existing threads.

The fact that it's not showing up in "All Recent Activity" may be a bug. I'll file it as one with Huddler.

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Originally Posted by iacas

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Originally Posted by Ash1974

Cheers Jamo, guess I searched for Mo Norman instead of Moe Norman and that is why I did not find any threads before posting it   Still at least I now know why it was merged, but does no one think it would be a good idea for some form of notification? this coudl be just a PM stating your thread has been deleted/moved/merged.

Also it no longer shows under My Profile and All Recent Activity which I would assume it should if it has been merged as it is still a valid post?

As Jamieson pointed out, your post was not deleted. This is clear if you search your "posts by this user" thing: http://thesandtrap.com/forum.php?action=postsbyuser&id;=20074 .

If you don't have the time to look for an existing thread in which to post your video, I think it's unfair to expect us to have to notify you when we already have the task of merging that thread into the existing one(s). It's just more unnecessary work, and given the fact that a day is only 24 hours long, it simply isn't going to happen most of the time. If you want to save yourself the worries, do a little more searching and post in existing threads.

The fact that it's not showing up in "All Recent Activity" may be a bug. I'll file it as one with Huddler.



Aye I did search as said, but for Mo Norman and not Moe hence nothing found so I posted a new thread.

Surely you could automate it though, I have seen it on other forums, where the origianl thread that is removed or merged remains but with a strike through for 24hrs and if you click the link it takes you to a thread deleted page of the thread it has been moved/merged to?

For now then I will check mye "Post By User" until (if it is a bug) it shows up in "All Recent Activity" which is my start page to see if anyone has posted in my threads or threads I have posted in, before I go browsing through the forums.

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Originally Posted by Ash1974

Surely you could automate it though, I have seen it on other forums, where the origianl thread that is removed or merged remains but with a strike through for 24hrs and if you click the link it takes you to a thread deleted page of the thread it has been moved/merged to?

We don't particularly like those "redirects," but we may begin using them more with really short timespans... also, we're not using vBulletin or phpBB or some of the other more prevalent forum software packages anymore, so things are bound to be a little different here.

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