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Until about 3 months ago I was a slicer.
Not bad, nice and predictable with a fade of about 5 yards with the driver and 2 yards with the irons.

I then purchased the "impact zone" and have really been concentrating on maintaining my lag (I was casting badly before). I can now hit a predictable straight iron or with a 2-3 yard draw depending.

My grip pressure is now nice and light and I have easily gained 15-20 yards. My divot is no longer 2 inches behind the ball like it was.

I have one problem though - my driver shot is turning into a monster hook. Low and hard with a real severe bend. Don't get me wrong when I time it right the ball is flying miles but this draw is killing me and I cant fade the ball anymore?

Its starting straight and moving left

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Originally Posted by trickymicky69

Until about 3 months ago I was a slicer.

Not bad, nice and predictable with a fade of about 5 yards with the driver and 2 yards with the irons.

I then purchased the "impact zone" and have really been concentrating on maintaining my lag (I was casting badly before). I can now hit a predictable straight iron or with a 2-3 yard draw depending.

My grip pressure is now nice and light and I have easily gained 15-20 yards. My divot is no longer 2 inches behind the ball like it was.

I have one problem though - my driver shot is turning into a monster hook. Low and hard with a real severe bend. Don't get me wrong when I time it right the ball is flying miles but this draw is killing me and I cant fade the ball anymore?

Its starting straight and moving left


Consider that your swing path is still a little bit to the inside with driver. If it was me, I'd consider gripping down for control, until I had a chance to look into getting a new shaft

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Sorry to sound dumb

How would the new shaft help?

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You will tend to hook a shaft that is too flexible for your swing speed and swing profile. Since you've gained so much distance with your irons, it's reasonable to expect that your club head speed is now also quite a bit higher with the driver. Given that, a stiffer and (likely also) heavier shaft would probably help you regain control and dial back the severity of your big misses to the left.

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That makes sense now.

Would that launch the ball lower as well?

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That is a possibility...also the driver swing has a "Flatter" plane so make sure you track the ball flight....did it start right of the target line and hook, did it start at the target line and hook???  If you haven'r read up on ball flight laws..check these out

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Try standing farther from the ball at address, keep the left foot down on backswing, and let the right elbow drop down not out on the downswing.


Posted

Its starting straight and then moving

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Therefore it is aimed at the target at impact and closed to the path...get the handle farther ahead at impact so the face is open to the target and then the ball will draw to it (flatter left wrist)

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Posted

I went out and played today and put some clubs on the floor for alignment.

I have been closing my stance slightly for a while now with the driver only so I thought i would see what would happen if i tried to open it.

The best results (quite long with a 5 yard push draw) come from me having a very slightly open stance.

Is this a recipe for disaster and why does it work?

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I dont think so. I am also gripping in my fingers

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I had the exact same problem....when I missed, it was with my driver and it was a hook / duck hook left.

I kept trying different things (open stance, turning right hand to left for less strong grip, moving ball forward, backward) but nothing worked. UNTIL someone showed me that I needed to turn my LEFT hand to the left to produce a less strong grip.  Worked like a charm.  Give it a try?  Of course, feels weird at first but then the lighter grip settles in nice with no duck hooks.

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Posted

I also suffered from this problem.

When the ball hooks, most of the time I forget about shifting my weight forward an concentrate too much on keeping a flat left wrist.

Also I think my stance is too wide with the driver, disturbing the weightshift.

greetings

michi

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