Jump to content
Note: This thread is 4959 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

When I first started playing golf I naturally had a weak grip when I picked up the golf club and that is the way I have been swinging for the past 5 years or so. I guess I have gotten pretty good with using a weak grip but I think one of the key moves in my swing is that I must "release" the club and I must keep my head still or even think about keeping it behind the ball but I usually make pretty good contact, ball first. So what I'm getting at is that if I try to swing a little harder sometimes then my release is a little late and I push/block it out to the right. Or so I think that is the problem. Now I have tried a stronger grip at the driving range a few times and most of the time I will hook the hell out of it, probably because I am so use to releasing the club with my weak grip.

To my question I guess:

Should I try a stronger grip with my irons so I can possibly hit it a bit farther and work my way up to the woods and driver? (keeping the driver with my normal weak grip for now)

Also I just feel like I should be hitting the ball a lot farther than I do. I mean I know I'm capable I just have to find it. Using a Pro V1 probably doesnt help much either haha.

One more thing...It seems people with a weak grip seem to be a little more accurate but a little less distance and people with a stronger grip seem to have more distance but can be a little less accurate

Thanks, hopefully I can get some good information on things


First, welcome to the board!  Let me see if I can help you with a few things.

You just said that adjusting your grip caused an undesirable ball flight, so... I think the right answer is "don't do that then!"  For just about any reasonable grip variety (of which "weak grip" is one -- recall that "weak" in this context doesn't mean "wuss"), you can find some great players who use that grip.

(I also worry a bit when you talk about releasing the club -- are you consciously trying to manipulate it during the swing?)

You say you think you should hit it farther than you do.  I've picked up some distance lately just by focusing on fundamentals (having weight forward at impact, etc).  How short do you hit it, and how long do you think you're capable of getting?  You say you hit the ball first, and that's pretty vital.  Check out also some threads on this board about general fitness;  my recent gym-ratting is one of two things I attribute my improved ball striking to.

Finally, you joke a bit about the ball affecting your distance.  How much experimenting have you done with the golf ball?  I realize there's a strong desire to play the ball played by more folks on the PGA Tour than any other.  I remember when I first started, I bought a box of Titleist NXTs, thinking those were the Titleists I kept seeing on TV!   But I eventually got into playing balls that fit my game a lot more, and it's helped.

I hope this has helped in some fashion.  I'm sure others will chime in, and I'm happy to answer any follow-up questions you have.

  • Upvote 1

-- Michael | My swing! 

"You think you're Jim Furyk. That's why your phone is never charged." - message from my mother

Driver:  Titleist 915D2.  4-wood:  Titleist 917F2.  Titleist TS2 19 degree hybrid.  Another hybrid in here too.  Irons 5-U, Ping G400.  Wedges negotiable (currently 54 degree Cleveland, 58 degree Titleist) Edel putter. 

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

All things being equal, Favor a slightly Strong Grip with "Vs" on both hands pointing between your chin and trailing shoulder at address.  This type of grip allows the club head to most easily release thru impact properly without manipulation/effort.  Also, consistently monitor your grip pressure and ensue it doesn't get overly Tight... this is a power killer and also will prevent the clubhead from releasing as it should.

Also, Go with 1 Grip for all clubs for your 'stock' shots.. Driver thru Wedges.   Maybe stronger or weaker for some special situations/shots but that is another discussion.

  • Upvote 1

Snowman0157
 


Thanks for welcome and Thanks for the reply.

Well when I say release its something I think about sometimes, especially if I just push/blocked a shot. And I normally think about it with my longer clubs, like my driver. Its not that I cast or anything its just I feel sometimes I get a little late with my upper body, so I guess in my mind if I think about releasing that club head right at impact then I will hit it straight. I guess while I'm on the subject I'll tell you how I learned to play golf and I guess why I think the way I do. I played baseball all my life basically and got into golf my junior year in H.S. I think it was and I took my baseball swing and applied what I learned from that into my golf swing. For example in baseball (lets say a pitch right down the middle of the plate) if you hit the ball to right field then you are late hitting the ball. The ball has traveled to far and you didn't hit it out in front of you. Now I take that and apply it to my golf swing, for example if I push/block a shot then I know I was late getting the club head to the ball or my upper body was lagging behind. So I try to make sure I hit the ball out in front of me to send it down the middle (or in baseball to center field). If that makes sense to you.

Now that has kinda brought me to asking this question. If I had a stronger grip then I could hit it a little later and hit it straight (in theory) since with a stronger grip your club face is closed.

That kind of leads to the next part about distance, like I said above when I try to swing a little harder sometimes my upper body or my club seems to lag and there it goes to the right (or try to correct and duck hook it) but if I was to have a stronger grip then I could maybe swing a little harder and not have to worry so much about being late and having to release that club head. I mean its not a bad thing because I'll take accuracy over distance any day but I feel like I kind of try to stay in control to hit it straight but in doing so I don't get as much distance, I just kind would like to maybe try some things on the practice tee and see if I would like it. And you wanted to know how far I hit it. Well I can hit a 7 iron about 150 yards normally and +- 10 yards for each club above and below that. But I'm really not certain about how far I hit the driver. I guess it all depends on the conditions. And another reason I would like a little more distance is that I am playing at a new club and it is a lot longer than where I use to play at. Instead of Driver - 9 iron its more like Driver - 4 iron.

About the balls, I use Pro V1 and the reason for that is the course I played at was shorter and it had bermuda (sp?) greens so I would get really really hard in the summer time and the extra spin helped a lot, especially around the greens. Now I tried a Pro V1x the other day and I got to say I might be buying me a dozen of those because I swear I was hitting a lot farther than the Pro V1s. But maybe the conditions where a little better, I need to try another one next time I play. The conditions right now are bad, really its just wet. Its sad when you hit a driver and get up to your ball and it actually hit, made a big divot, and spun backwards a few inches haha. So that is making the course long too.

But this isnt really a huge concern because I'm fairly happy (who is ever happy haha) with how I hit the ball now but if I can tinker around with my grip and swing and start hitting it farther I will.

Like they say "Drive for show, Putt for dough" and thats my main thing I need to work on is getting up and down and making those putt or I should say being more consistent haha

Thanks so much for the reply though, if you have any more questions about what I'm talking or anything please let me know


Note: This thread is 4959 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).
  • Posts

    • Day 307 - Mirror swings, focusing on rotation. That seems to take pressure off my lead hip. 
    • With a lot of help from @iacas, I was able to take a great trip down to Pinehurst this past week. Took advantage of having a day off because of Veteran's Day and spent 4 days in the Pinehurst area. @iacas, @Hardspoon, @GolfLug, and @NCGolfer joined me for at least 1 round on the trip. I got in 2 courses in Pinehurst proper - Southern Pines and Pine Needles - and then the Duke golf course in Durham and Tobacco Road. All of the courses were new to me, and I really liked all of them. I am going to add more to this later when I have some time, but I wanted to post a quick recap/thoughts for each course. Duke Golf Club I really enjoyed this course. It's a big ballpark that goes up and down a couple of hills. The front 9 starts off going straight downhill, with 1 and 2 being similar dogleg left, downhill par 4s. You make your way to the bottom of the hill with a par 3 that plays over a lake, and then you creep up slowly. The best hole on the front is the 7, the first par 5. It's a dogleg right goes downhill to a small green protected by a creek and bunkers. If you can get your ball to the fairway, you should have a chance at going for the green in 2. That shot was probably the most memorable one I had on this course. You then crest the hill again with the tee shot on 9, which is a par 5 that goes down the hill and then the green is back on top of the hill by the clubhouse.  The back only goes up and down the hill once, so it's slightly more tame than the front. I really liked 11, which is another par 5. The tee shot plays down the hill, and if you hit a good one, you could have a mid iron into your hand with your second shot. The green is huge, but protected by a creek that runs in front of it. The closing stretch of holes are pretty good. 16 is a short par 4 playing straight up hill. Distance control with a wedge is really important. 17 is slightly uphill, but the trick is navigating the uneven lies in the fairway. 18 is fairly straightforward but a stout par 4 to end the round. The only negative is that there were a lot of holes with forced carries to the green. 4, 7, 11, 12, and 13 all had ponds or creeks fronting the green. Most of those required hefty carries.  Bottom line, I liked the course and the setting. I would be happy to play here regularly. Pine Needles I loved this course. The setting reminded me a lot of #2, and it feels like a mini #2 with a lot of small, turtleback-type greens. The opening 5 holes were outstanding. 1 was a really cool par 5 that was no gimme. The green was pretty wild. 2 was a long, downhill par 4. 3 was one of my favorite par 3s that we played - over a lake with bunkers framing the green. 4 was a short uphill par 4 that I really liked. 5 was an excellent but tough par 3, sitting on a shelf well above the tee. It's a great opening stretch. And again, the feel and look of the place is unique to the Pinehurst area. It feels like something you wouldn't find anywhere else. Other highlights - the green site on 9 was really cool. There is a big run off area to the right of the green that you want to avoid. It reminded me a bit of the second hole at Sand Valley - you don't want to be right of that green either. 12 was a great hole. You can't see the green from the tee, as the tee shot plays over a hill. When you see the green, it looks tiny, with a huge runoff and bunkers to the left of the green. The fairway is pretty wide, so the trick is accuracy with your approach shot. 18 was an extremely cool finishing hole. You can't really see the fairway off the tee, but it turns out to be fairly generous when you get there. And then the green site is fantastic - sitting at the bottom of the hill, but still requiring precision to be on it. I really want to get back and play this course again. There are a few shots that I want to try again (the drive on 10, the approach on 12, the drive on 18). And I just really loved the look and feel of the place. A great course and a fun day of golf. Southern Pines I thought this was the best course of the 4 I played. It's wider than Pine Needles, and the greens are bigger. But the greens are much more undulating. The land here is truly excellent. There is a ton of land movement, and seemingly every hole has elevation changes you have to navigate. I really like both par 5s on the front. If you hit good drives on both, you will get a big kick down the fairway. If you don't, you're going to be faced with a long 2nd shot just to have a wedge in. 2 plays down the hill with the tee shot and then back up the hill with the approach. You have to be careful about club selection and distance control there. 7 was a good, fairly long par 3 with a green perched on a ledge. 11 was a driveable par 4 with a wild green. 15 was really cool as well - the tee shot is downhill, but then the green is back uphill. This is a course I would love to play everyday. It's a thinking man's course, because you have to be really careful with all the elevations changes there. You constantly have to play and commit to a club longer or shorter than the distance. And I don't really think there are any bad holes. Only negative is that a few holes are a bit repetitive - 4, 16, and 18 are all shorter par 4s where you're hitting an uphill approach wedge or short iron. This is a very minor nit, though. One of the best courses I've played. I'd have to think about where exactly to rank it, but easily within the top 10. Possibly cracking the top 5. I will play this again next time I'm in Pinehurst. Tobacco Road I had a blast at this course. It is unique and pretty wild. You start out with these massive dune-like hills pinching in on your tee shot on 1. And then the entire round feels like you're going around these massive dunes. There are a lot of interesting shots here. You have long carries over bunkers, blind tee shots, shots into tiny greens, shots into huge greens, carries over deep bunkers, downhill shots, uphill shots, you name it. The setting is incredible. It is a huge course, and the fairways and greens tend to be very generous. I want to write more about individual holes later. But I really liked 7, 9, 10, and 16. I want to play a couple of the par 3s again with different hole locations and/or different tee boxes. 6 and 17, in particular, could play like wildly different holes with a different hole location (for 17) or coming from a different tee box (for 6).  While I had a lot of fun seeing this course, I do feel like a smart golfer could get bored here. To me, it was fairly obvious that Strantz was trying to bait you into trying a bunch of hard shots. On 11, for example, if you hit a good drive to the right side of the fairway, you could have a shot at the green in 2. But the green is over a massive bunker that has to be 40 feet below the green. And the green is narrow, essentially facing perpendicular to you. The only chance you really have is to hit a perfect shot. The alternative is an easy lay up to a wide fairway, leaving you with a wedge at the perfect angle. Maybe I try going for it with a 7 iron or something shorter, but that's about it. I felt similar on 5 - the direct line to the green is not that far and the green is driveable, But if you miss, you're going to have a 40ish yard bunker shot or a lost ball. Meanwhile, if you play to the right, you have a massive fairway and you'll likely be left with a wedge in your hand. I think it would be fun to play with 2 balls on some of these holes and try the shots. If you are a LSW disciple, though, you are not going to try the crazy risky shots Strantz is trying to bait you into. In the end, I really enjoyed this course. But I think it's below PN or SP. It's still awesome, and it was fun to see and play. I would come back here, but it's a lower priority than other Pinehurst courses. Well, that ended up being longer than I was anticipating. I may add some more thoughts about specific holes later, but this is a good starting point. I do want to think more about course ratings out of 10 for these, too. More to come...
    • Day 123: did a stack session.
    • Day 48 - 2024-11-17 A little work before Junior Elite. Left thumb and the compensating left wrist are better; still not great.
    • I watched a re-release of The Fifth Element.  I am going to give this movie a tap in Eagle. It's a wells shot movie. The actors are great. The story is interesting, and the setting is fascinating. For it being just over 2 hours, the pacing is phenomenal. I really enjoyed watching this sci-fi classic. 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...