Spin on the new cc wedges,...................

[Shaggy]

I recently upgraded my wedges with a set of the new Callaway XJaws cc. I had previously been playing with a couple of the Taylormade rac wedges that were about 5 years old and also had one of the Callaway XJaws pre cc sand wedges. I could put pretty good spin on my old rac wedges even though they were getting pretty worn and I could just shred a ProV with the pre cc XJaws wedge. I just cant get the same kinda spin outta the new cc XJaws wedges compared to the pre cc wedges. I have seen many tests and they all suggest that the amount of lost spin is very small when comparing the pre and post cc wedges. In my " real world" tests I do see a noticable difference. Im just courious if others have found a noticable amount of spin loss as well.

[LankyLefty]

I did some research and asking around about this exact issue when I was in the market for wedges. I ended up splurging all my money on a 5 wood and spent 25 a piece for some crappy wedges.

However, basically what Ive been told is this. The new wedges will impart the same spin as the old wedges when the ball is compressed very very effectively. The old wedges however could Impart the same spin with less compression. So basically the days of coming out of a nightmare lie with enough backspin to have the ball roll back at you are over. However off the tees and from nice fairway lies it is still possible to obtain very good rates of spin.

That is essentially what the pro at my home course told me and it makes sense when you look at the tests done.

[Shaggy]

Yes, I agree that I do get "adequate" spin on full wedge shots,.... but on less than full swing shots or shots outta the rough its a total different story.

I just think that the USGA and R&A; made a very poor decision on the new Condition Conforming groove rule. For the tour pro's and top golfers the change is almost unnoticable, but for the average golfer it is noticeable. In a sport that needs to attract new people, why make it more difficult for the average person. I think the ones who made this rule forgot who are the ones that finance and support the entire golf industry. Its not the tour players,...... it's the average golfer who buys the equipment and invests their hard earned money in various communities by paying green fees planning golf trips to play or to watch the pros play. There are ways to make it more difficult for the tour pro's without making a broad sweeping equipment rule change for everyone. Maybe i'm just too simple minded, but how about just let the rough get a little thicker and pick more difficult hole locations on the green on the Pro events.

Oh well,.... I'll get off my soapbox now, because no matter what I still love this game.

[LankyLefty]

It is certainly noticeable for the top golfers. They just know how to deal with it better.

[WUTiger]

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Yes, I agree that I do get "adequate" spin on full wedge shots,.... but on less than full swing shots or shots outta the rough its a total different story.

I just think that the USGA and R&A; made a very poor decision on the new Condition Conforming groove rule. For the tour pro's and top golfers the change is almost unnoticable, but for the average golfer it is noticeable. In a sport that needs to attract new people, why make it more difficult for the average person. I think the ones who made this rule forgot who are the ones that finance and support the entire golf industry. Its not the tour players,...... it's the average golfer...

Golf Digest had a recent article on the new CC vs. the Mac-Daddy etc. grooves (sorry, I can't find it - help anyone?)

GD suggested that players with driver swing speeds of less than 100 mph. didn't create enough clubhead speed - even with super grooves - to juice the ball out of shaggy lies. And, with the new 5, 6 and 7-piece balls on the horizon, the tamer groove "CC" probably won't matter much.

Some people have suggested that the Pros use a limited selection of balls which would make it more difficult to hit 300-yd. drives. Otherwise, people who get free equipment have gamed their way past the "CC" tamer-groove rule.

Besides the special ball groupings, I would like to see a ban on PGA Tour wedges of more than 56*. The ball plus no-lob shift would increase the penalty for missing the green.