Has anyone seen this new golf app yet?

[Noonan1]

there isn't really much on their website but it looks interesting. There is no price on the website. Does anyone know how much it will be? I would pay too much to help my swing.. already do...

here is the website I stumbled on while searching for new 'swing tips and things'.

check it out and let me know what you think. curious to hear feedback.

http://myswingthing.com

Cheers

[lumpuckeroo]

Have not seen that app but I use the iSwing app for the iPhone, it records your swing and then lets you draw lines and do analysis.  The video clip is only about 10 or 15 seconds, so it takes a little work with whomever is working the iPhone to coordinate capturing your swing.

[Noonan1]

Great, thanks for the info. How well does the iSwing app work? easy? difficult? how much is it btw?

Does anyone else have any golf apps on their phone that they would recommend? I really just want something simple.

Thanks

[darkhunter139]

I use v1 golf, I think it was like 2 bucks and it works well.  Lets you draw lines and play the videos in slow motion.

[muffintop]

i've heard mixed reviews about existing swing apps for the iphone. this one sounds simple and easy to use though. using the camera function on your phone is key and it seems pretty intuitive. anyone have any thoughts before i take the plunge?

[JayMc]

I use v1 golf, I think it was like 2 bucks and it works well.  Lets you draw lines and play the videos in slow motion.

I use V1 also. The example swings they have in the library is a nice feature.

[MiniBlueDragon]

This app looks ridiculous. No two bodies are the same, therefore no two swings are the same so how on earth are you supposed to form a "perfect" swing based on a stick man's positions compared to your own? Learning the mechanics of a good swing and the movements involved is far more conductive to improvement than positional learning.

I think I'll stick with practice, reading, youtube (stack & tilt, clemshaw, andrewrice, martin ayers, sevam1, secret in the dirt), video analysis (SwingReader on iPhone) and the occasional lesson to make sure I'm on the right track.

[k14]

Originally Posted by lumpuckeroo

Have not seen that app but I use the iSwing app for the iPhone, it records your swing and then lets you draw lines and do analysis.  The video clip is only about 10 or 15 seconds, so it takes a little work with whomever is working the iPhone to coordinate capturing your swing.

I use that too, you know that you can set a delay so the camera starts recording after a certain time. It beeps a few times before it starts recording and then you swing. Works perfect for when I do it.

[Noonan1]

I agree - no two bodies are the same, but that doesn't necessarily mean you can't compare your swing to a perfect swing and still learn something. And I don't think that people's proportions are all that different, its just their total height. If this app can account for the different height of players, I could see it working.

Originally Posted by MiniBlueDragon

This app looks ridiculous. No two bodies are the same, therefore no two swings are the same so how on earth are you supposed to form a "perfect" swing based on a stick man's positions compared to your own? Learning the mechanics of a good swing and the movements involved is far more conductive to improvement than positional learning.

I think I'll stick with practice, reading, youtube (stack & tilt, clemshaw, andrewrice, martin ayers, sevam1, secret in the dirt), video analysis (SwingReader on iPhone) and the occasional lesson to make sure I'm on the right track.

[MiniBlueDragon]

I agree - no two bodies are the same, but that doesn't necessarily mean you can't compare your swing to a perfect swing and still learn something. And I don't think that people's proportions are all that different, its just their total height. If this app can account for the different height of players, I could see it working.

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Originally Posted by MiniBlueDragon

This app looks ridiculous. No two bodies are the same, therefore no two swings are the same so how on earth are you supposed to form a "perfect" swing based on a stick man's positions compared to your own? Learning the mechanics of a good swing and the movements involved is far more conductive to improvement than positional learning.

I think I'll stick with practice, reading, youtube (stack & tilt, clemshaw, andrewrice, martin ayers, sevam1, secret in the dirt), video analysis (SwingReader on iPhone) and the occasional lesson to make sure I'm on the right track.

That's what I mean though; a 5'1" guy with broad shoulders and no flexibility won't have the same swing as the 6'5" athlete who has the flexibility of a gymnast. Looking at key positions based on Rory/stick man/other literally can't give everyone a good swing; people have to work with what their body allows. Body variables that would affect someone's swing when compared to someone with a differing variable: - height - affects swing arc, club head speed, plane angle - shoulder width - affects club head speed, flexibility, plane - leg length - affects height and height's variables - flexibility- affects everything One swing can never fit all if it's based on key positions.

[Noonan1]

Once again, there isn't much info on this website and i'm not trying to back them up or anything but it seems like it is pretty clear that they are just trying to show people what a perfect swing looks like and then let them make their own judgment on what they should work on. It may not appeal to everyone but I am definitely interested in comparing my swing to a 'perfect' swing. Too many times I am stuck at the range without a coach wondering what is going on with my swing. The apps where you can draw lines might help me, but I am not too sure which lines to draw and where... this just seems so black and white simple. Either you have a good swing or you don't. If you don't, fix it! haha...

besides, who doesn't want a perfect swing?

I wonder how the tour pros will match up to this model swing. that would be really cool to see.

Originally Posted by MiniBlueDragon

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Originally Posted by Noonan1

I agree - no two bodies are the same, but that doesn't necessarily mean you can't compare your swing to a perfect swing and still learn something. And I don't think that people's proportions are all that different, its just their total height. If this app can account for the different height of players, I could see it working.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniBlueDragon

This app looks ridiculous. No two bodies are the same, therefore no two swings are the same so how on earth are you supposed to form a "perfect" swing based on a stick man's positions compared to your own? Learning the mechanics of a good swing and the movements involved is far more conductive to improvement than positional learning.

I think I'll stick with practice, reading, youtube (stack & tilt, clemshaw, andrewrice, martin ayers, sevam1, secret in the dirt), video analysis (SwingReader on iPhone) and the occasional lesson to make sure I'm on the right track.

That's what I mean though; a 5'1" guy with broad shoulders and no flexibility won't have the same swing as the 6'5" athlete who has the flexibility of a gymnast. Looking at key positions based on Rory/stick man/other literally can't give everyone a good swing; people have to work with what their body allows.

Body variables that would affect someone's swing when compared to someone with a differing variable:

- height - affects swing arc, club head speed, plane angle

- shoulder width - affects club head speed, flexibility, plane

- leg length - affects height and height's variables

- flexibility- affects everything

One swing can never fit all if it's based on key positions.

[SwingThing]

Hi all!

so glad to stumble on this forum thread. Amazing what happens when you search for yourself on Google. My name is Matt and I am the creator of SwingThing. It seems like you have some questions here so I am going to save the introduction and get right down to answering you all.

-SwingThing does adjust for different player heights. There are guides when filming the swing that help with this.

-MiniBlueDragon, I agree, no two bodies are the same but the app does a fairly good job adjusting for height which I found to be the key element when comparing two swings.

-Noonan1, thanks for starting the thread. We aren't just trying to show people the perfect swing. Yes, that is part of it, but mostly I just want to give my fellow golfer a new way to check out their swing. It worked for me, so I thought I would put it out there for everyone to use - I just hope it works for everyone else!

A little background if you're interested:

SwingThing is just a fun project that I have been working on over the last few months. It isn't meant to change the world or fix every swing. It is just supposed to help confused amateurs like myself. So, I was at the range after work getting ready for my next tournament (local am) and realized that I had no idea what I was doing. I wasn't sure if what I was working on was really correct or just another time-wasting drill that my friend gave me last week. I had to cut my $75 lessons due to a little budgeting for the times but I didn't want that to stop me from improving my swing.  I wanted a cheap, easy, and accurate way to check if what I was working on was really making my swing better. I already have probably 5-10 training aids that I rotate through and none of them really work, we all know that story. I thought that it might be easiest if I could just compare my swing with a perfect swing and work on the differences. So I did a little research on the proper mechanics of the golf swing and put what I learned towards creating a model swing that could compare against on my computer. After having some success comparing my swing to a model swing on my computer I thought that I would try to share it with everyone to see if they could have some success with it as well. So, I created the SwingThing App in hopes that it may help some people with their swing.

I am definitely hitting the ball farther now. I probably went from 275 to 285 since using it. I've found it easiest to isolate one thing and work on it for a whole driving range session. if you film your swing before and after, you will be amazed at how much 30 min can do for you.

I hope you all enjoy it.

Please let me know if you have any other questions. I will check back in on this thread periodically.

-Matt

[MiniBlueDragon]

Originally Posted by SwingThing

Hi all!

so glad to stumble on this forum thread. Amazing what happens when you search for yourself on Google. My name is Matt and I am the creator of SwingThing. It seems like you have some questions here so I am going to save the introduction and get right down to answering you all.

-SwingThing does adjust for different player heights. There are guides when filming the swing that help with this.

-MiniBlueDragon, I agree, no two bodies are the same but the app does a fairly good job adjusting for height which I found to be the key element when comparing two swings.

-Noonan1, thanks for starting the thread. We aren't just trying to show people the perfect swing. Yes, that is part of it, but mostly I just want to give my fellow golfer a new way to check out their swing. It worked for me, so I thought I would put it out there for everyone to use - I just hope it works for everyone else!

A little background if you're interested:

SwingThing is just a fun project that I have been working on over the last few months. It isn't meant to change the world or fix every swing. It is just supposed to help confused amateurs like myself. So, I was at the range after work getting ready for my next tournament (local am) and realized that I had no idea what I was doing. I wasn't sure if what I was working on was really correct or just another time-wasting drill that my friend gave me last week. I had to cut my $75 lessons due to a little budgeting for the times but I didn't want that to stop me from improving my swing.  I wanted a cheap, easy, and accurate way to check if what I was working on was really making my swing better. I already have probably 5-10 training aids that I rotate through and none of them really work, we all know that story. I thought that it might be easiest if I could just compare my swing with a perfect swing and work on the differences. So I did a little research on the proper mechanics of the golf swing and put what I learned towards creating a model swing that could compare against on my computer. After having some success comparing my swing to a model swing on my computer I thought that I would try to share it with everyone to see if they could have some success with it as well. So, I created the SwingThing App in hopes that it may help some people with their swing.

I am definitely hitting the ball farther now. I probably went from 275 to 285 since using it. I've found it easiest to isolate one thing and work on it for a whole driving range session. if you film your swing before and after, you will be amazed at how much 30 min can do for you.

I hope you all enjoy it.

Please let me know if you have any other questions. I will check back in on this thread periodically.

-Matt

Thanks for the update Matt. My comments are in regard to any type of learning tool that cannot cater for the full spectrum of clients. I know you mentioned that it adjusts for height which is good, however all the other variables I mentioned are subjective; what is "flexible", what is "inflexible"? Does the SwingThing cater for both one and two plane swings, including all of their separate commonalities and motions? I've never been a fan of positional learning, e.g. McClean's 8 step swing and I'm not trying to derail you, far from it; I just don't see how it can (currently) work.

Saying that however it's working for you so it's probably just me.

[muffintop]

Thanks for the info Matt. I think I'll give this app a shot when it comes out. The simplicity reminds me of one of the best training tools out there, the mirror, with the added benefit of comparing your own swing to a solid baseline.

[SwingThing]

Hi again MiniBlueDragon,

Thanks for the comments. You make good points.

In my opinion, and regarding what you have brought up below, there are two different schools of thought when teaching the golf swing. Let's use flexibility as an example when describing the difference between the two. First, there are the teachers that work with their students' inflexibility and build swings around it. They will have them rotate their trunk and lower body a little more, pivoting off the front foot, in order to get 'behind the ball' the proper amount. This will lead to instability in the lower half of the body and a reliability on timing. We all know that feeling to well - one minute you have it and the next it is gone with no idea what in your swing has changed!!  On the other hand, there are teachers that will tell their students that they need to get more rotation with their torso and shoulders while maintaining a stable lower half, aka they need to become more flexible. This leads to a swing less built on timing and more on mechanics - generally a swing that holds up under pressure and is a lot more consistent. I have found that the former style of teaching is more common at the higher handicap level and the latter more common at the mid to low amateur and pro level. Now, I don't want to say which method is correct because there is a reason and need for both, but there is also a reason that a vast majority of tour players have 'great looking swings'. They (or at least their swing coach) understand the mechanics of a proper swing and are willing to work at their swings (a lot) until it is mechanically sound. Yes, there are the anomalies (Furyk, Perry, etc) but the majority of tour players have swings that would match up well with the SwingThing Model.

The model is meant to point people in the right direction. Even if your body doesn't match up perfectly with the model, viewing the two and the difference between them will give a very clear understanding of what needs to be worked on in order to improve mechanics. improved mechanics will only help consistency, distance, and accuracy.

I hope this helps. Please let me know if you have any more questions. I am glad to see a little interest in the App. I am working to make sure it gets released by the end of July. That way you all will still have some time to use it and improve your game for the end of the season - just in time for all of the big tournaments!

Thanks,

Matt

Originally Posted by MiniBlueDragon

Thanks for the update Matt. My comments are in regard to any type of learning tool that cannot cater for the full spectrum of clients. I know you mentioned that it adjusts for height which is good, however all the other variables I mentioned are subjective; what is "flexible", what is "inflexible"? Does the SwingThing cater for both one and two plane swings, including all of their separate commonalities and motions? I've never been a fan of positional learning, e.g. McClean's 8 step swing and I'm not trying to derail you, far from it; I just don't see how it can (currently) work.

Saying that however it's working for you so it's probably just me.

[yatzr]

I really like the concept of this.  Will you be making an android version?

[SwingThing]

Yatzr,

Yes, I am planning on developing an Android app immediately after releasing the iPhone version. I am guessing it will be on the market mid August.

Thanks for the question.

Originally Posted by yatzr

I really like the concept of this.  Will you be making an android version?

[montru]

I use Swing Reader, it's a prety cool app, there are two versions, one is FREE and the other is $2.99. I went for the free one, it does everything you need, slow motion or frame by frame view of your swing etc, this is some images of my daughters swing: