On-Line Lessons

[CuppedTin]

Any good places for on-line lessons? I am in NO WAY interested in Stack and Tilt...

Thanks

[Phil McGleno]

Originally Posted by CuppedTin

Any good places for on-line lessons? I am in NO WAY interested in Stack and Tilt...

Thanks

Why is that? You're not interested in getting better?

Paging ICAS.... He's going to ask you "why?". And he'll be right. You probably don't know what it is.

People on this site have had good success with evolvr.com . I think someone else advertises on this site but based on some of the advice they've given I'd be leery of them. I offer online lessons but only to my part-time resident students and I think a lot of instructors do that.

[CuppedTin]

I have really no science to back up why, I just know that some of the guys who I have played with who use stack and tilt are awesome from 160-170 yards in. But outside of that it just seems to be very inconsistent. But that is just my observation.

Phil, why do you prefer stack and tilt?

Thanks

[iacas]

Originally Posted by CuppedTin

I have really no science to back up why, I just know that some of the guys who I have played with who use stack and tilt are awesome from 160-170 yards in. But outside of that it just seems to be very inconsistent. But that is just my observation.

Phil, why do you prefer stack and tilt?

I can't answer the second question at Phil, but I'd suggest perhaps doing a little research before you form opinions. If you have no reasons or "science" why then I'd be hesitant to form an opinion.

The players we instruct find that S&T; works for all clubs, and many are particularly bad drivers that will tell us their driver becomes their favorite club. Of the guys you have played with who use S&T;, how many have worked with qualified instructors? I see a lot of people doing things wrong after reading the books or watching the DVDs. They'll exaggerate things they were already doing, and that can result in trouble.

Phil recommended a service, Evolvr , that I helped to create and frankly I think you should give it a try. It's inexpensive and several other members of this forum can attest to the fact that it works. Ask uttexas how well he's hitting his driver.

SwingPal advertises here too but as I've never seen videos from them I can't really attest to their capabilities.

[CuppedTin]

Originally Posted by iacas

I can't answer the second question at Phil, but I'd suggest perhaps doing a little research before you form opinions. If you have no reasons or "science" why then I'd be hesitant to form an opinion.

The players we instruct find that S&T; works for all clubs, and many are particularly bad drivers that will tell us their driver becomes their favorite club. Of the guys you have played with who use S&T;, how many have worked with qualified instructors? I see a lot of people doing things wrong after reading the books or watching the DVDs. They'll exaggerate things they were already doing, and that can result in trouble.

Phil recommended a service, Evolvr, that I helped to create and frankly I think you should give it a try. It's inexpensive and several other members of this forum can attest to the fact that it works. Ask uttexas how well he's hitting his driver.

SwingPal advertises here too but as I've never seen videos from them I can't really attest to their capabilities.

I really should not call it an opinion, and you are spot on to the fact that they started doing this after watching videos on youtube, so they had no formal training. And when I ask how it works they simply say to put all your weight on the front leg and turn around it...

I hit good shots, but I know that I use very little or no lower body to start my swing. I start with my shoulders and I turn back thru with my shoulders. I actually swing very lazy. Oh, and I am all arms! Which is why I believe that I have a very bad bend in my lead arm at the top of the back swing.

[ChrisSP]

Originally Posted by Phil McGleno

I think someone else advertises on this site but based on some of the advice they've given I'd be leery of them.

For the record, you're talking about me and I'm NOT one of the instructors on the Swingpal network. I'm just a decent amateur who enjoys reading about the golf swing, and I probably should have made that clear. I was trying to do nothing more than get involved in the discussion on the boards in an effort to be a part of the community here, so it would be a mistake to indict the company I work for based on the fact that you disagree with some of my personal thoughts on the golf swing. As for the company I work for, the product is rock solid, we have excellent instructors and I guarantee you that you'll be hearing a lot about us in the future. Thanks.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by CuppedTin

I really should not call it an opinion, and you are spot on to the fact that they started doing this after watching videos on youtube, so they had no formal training. And when I ask how it works they simply say to put all your weight on the front leg and turn around it...

Yeah... that's not really how it works. Weight is pretty centered on the backswing, then - as with all good players - goes forward on the downswing. It's basically a one-plane swing with a centered pivot rather than a large move OFF the golf ball.

Originally Posted by CuppedTin

I hit good shots, but I know that I use very little or no lower body to start my swing. I start with my shoulders and I turn back thru with my shoulders. I actually swing very lazy. Oh, and I am all arms! Which is why I believe that I have a very bad bend in my lead arm at the top of the back swing.

Bending the lead arm adds a lever. If you wanted to design a swing for the most power, you'd add that piece in, because more levels equals more potential speed.

However, in most swings, that particular lever is sacrificed because it harms consistency/accuracy so much.

If you want to keep the arm straight, just feel that your TRAIL arm never bends. That's one way to do it. You bend the lead arm because the trail arm OVER-bends. Look up the thread on the Swing Extender if you'd like.