Stack & Tilt and The Golfing Machine - How compatible?

[1puttit]

My understanding is that a lot of what Mike and Andy teach in Stack & Tilt was derived from their work with The Golfing Machine. In working on my S&T; swing I have picked up different "feels" from TGM but I don't want to stray too far from the basic S&T; method and I also don't want to incorporate incompatible info.

My feeling is that S&T; is what TGM would call a "Hitter" swing. Is this correct?

Does S&T; use a "pitch" elbow or a "push" elbow?

In the downswing I focus on maintaining the P1 pressure point and the flying wedge. Is this the same feel in S&T;?

Thanks for any input.

[uttexas]

While I'm no expert on either, it is my understanding that TGM is a taxonomy (classification) system to describe all possible swings. S&T; is a swing model derived from commonalities of the most efficient and powerful golf swings. TGM is a reference book that categorizes all movements in the golf swing. TGM is now marketed primarily by TGM certified instructors--The TGM certified instructors tend to emphasize maintaining the flying wedge long into the follow through and finish, which is a commonality with the S&T; model. Many that hold the flying wedge this long into the finish feel as though they are hitting the ball.

[JetFan1983]

Originally Posted by 1puttit

My understanding is that a lot of what Mike and Andy teach in Stack & Tilt was derived from their work with The Golfing Machine.

It was a major influence, but I think the biggest influence it had on them was the basic idea of using science to understand the golf swing.

Originally Posted by 1puttit

In working on my S&T; swing I have picked up different "feels" from TGM...

My feeling is that S&T; is what TGM would call a "Hitter" swing. Is this correct?

In the downswing I focus on maintaining the P1 pressure point and the flying wedge. Is this the same feel in S&T;?

Thanks for any input.

Feel varies from player to player. Whatever "feel" gets you exhibit the correct geometry is a feel you want to stick with. Like Mike and Andy have said, use a camera to confirm that what you are feeling is what you are actually doing.

Originally Posted by 1puttit

Does S&T; use a "pitch" elbow or a "push" elbow?

Pitch elbow. Elbows are too far apart for a push elbow. Pitch elbow increases wrist cock.

Originally Posted by uttexas

While I'm no expert on either, it is my understanding that TGM is a taxonomy (classification) system to describe all possible swings. S&T; is a swing model derived from commonalities of the most efficient and powerful golf swings. TGM is a reference book that categorizes all movements in the golf swing.

Yea. TGM is a catalog of every possible swing pattern whereas S&T; is one specific pattern. Very important difference to understand.

[iacas]

To add to what uttexas said (TGM describes ALL GOLF SWINGS, of which S&T; is one set of them)...

Hitter pattern? Yeah, but everyone does both hitting and swinging in the golf swing, and since "hitter" and "swinger" are defined by the lag loading mechanism (IIRC) employed, you can use the "swinger" method and still have a one-plane swing with a centered pivot - i.e. S&T.;

Pitch elbow... or sometimes punch elbow. Almost never push. We tend to prefer to see a little more pitch elbow but that can be dictated by body type, etc.

P1 and flying wedge are fine. Yep.

Angled hinging, btw, too.