Looking for a good lag drill

[UnderdogGolf]

Seem to be breaking my wrists too early and I'm looking for a good drill to help fix this.  Anyone have any good ones they'd like to share?

[mvmac]

Not sure if I know any drills but feel like the "cup" in your left wrist, that angle is maintained thru the backswing

[Spyder]

Cupping the left wrist can promote slice from what I remember. I was taught to keep the hole in the very end of your grip going towards the ball for as long as possible. I was also taught to keep the left wrist firm and more flat (cupping the left wrist during the backswing opens the face - keeping the left wrist flat will promote a square/closed face). Placing a tee in the hole for a visual aid can help with this.

Not saying that you're wrong, just offering up what I've been taught and I'm sure people will agree and disagree.

[mvmac]

Originally Posted by Spyder

Cupping the left wrist can promote slice from what I remember. I was taught to keep the hole in the very end of your grip going towards the ball for as long as possible. I was also taught to keep the left wrist firm and more flat (cupping the left wrist during the backswing opens the face - keeping the left wrist flat will promote a square/closed face). Placing a tee in the hole for a visual aid can help with this.

Not saying that you're wrong, just offering up what I've been taught and I'm sure people will agree and disagree.

Can also keep the dorsi flexion and keep the face square to the arc.  You bring up some good points though Spyder but the OP was looking for a drill or feel to stop the wrists from setting too early.  Here is a visual to what I meant, more of a float loading feel.

Golfing machine term: Float or Downstroke Loading (Acceleration)-This Procedure delays the wrist cock until the start down. The cocking motion should be gentle or even lazy, never sharp, and can be completed by either driving or dragging the club into impact with a bent right elbow being moved down plane by lower back muscles and right shoulder.

[Sai-Jin]

I'm working on this too, much more than before and what I do personally is just hold the "L" until I see that my hands pass the ball and get to around left inner thigh.

Then I ground the club, take a back swing and does the same. 2-3 times, then I strike the ball.

My problem is a slight cupped wrist and I try to keep it flat. But that's because I have a more upright back swing.

But yea, I think people call that "pumping" drill?

[The_Pharaoh]

I would really like to see some more videos on how to create lag too as it is so common in pretty much all golfers. Flipping is an easy concept to explain to a student but it is difficult to teach them how to create lag.

What I have noticed is the golfer that flips the most also tends to move their head to the right the most during the backswing and then lift up and move backwards the most at impact. The flip then occurs because they fail to get back to the ball. Working on keeping the head still and a better hip drive towards the target goes a long way to helping this affliction.

A good video to watch is Erik's holding the flying wedge with his hips really pushed forward.

[Mr. Desmond]

Keeping lag -- I've found that (for a righty) pressure on the right index finger helps (by separating it from the other fingers and hooking it around the grip); also the Stack and Tilt Book mentioned that keeping the elbows as close together on the downswing as possible will help retain lag -- the feel for this is to feel like your elbows are pinching  together as the club head falls at the beginning of the downswing. (S&T; instructors - please comment)

[TourSpoon]

There is a thread on a little training aid called the Pure Ball Striker. It really gets you in tune to that right hand that likes to over take the left.  It puts a little extra pressure/feeling on the trigger finger  and when done correctly, will let you feel it trailing.  Another drill is to take the right thumb and forefinger off the club completely and hit balls.  This also helps in maintaining the right wrist angle because those pincer fingers don't take over.

[mvmac]

Originally Posted by TourSpoon

There is a thread on a little training aid called the Pure Ball Striker. It really gets you in tune to that right hand that likes to over take the left.  It puts a little extra pressure/feeling on the trigger finger  and when done correctly, will let you feel it trailing.

Yeah the PBS is great as well as the Tour Striker

Found this in my notes and I'm not sure where it's from, lol.  I think it's Lynn Blake, could be Chuck Evans:

"Lag is probably the most misunderstood thing in the golf swing. People think that holding the wrist **** or angle between the left forearm and clubshaft is lag. It isn’t, that’s known as a block out. Lag is physics not geometry. The principle of lag is that it keeps the club in a constant state of acceleration. Inertia is the resistance to motion or change. When you start the hands down the club is going to have resistance to this change of direction and motion. This is the start of lag. You want to accelerate the club against this resistance all the way through impact. It should feel as if you’re accelerating the club against it’s own weight. By sustaining the lag through impact you’re keeping the club a state of acceleration that will give the most resistance to impact deceleration caused by the clubhead hitting the ball. Ideally you want to sustain the lag all the way to the both arms straight position which is about 45 degrees past impact. Properly done it should feel as if your release happens after impact. Remember, the release is the period of clubhead acceleration and what you feel as the release is actually the club settling into a state of deceleration. Over acceleration is the nemisis of lag. Acceleration against the club (lag) should be slow and heavy, a steady as she goes motion, a constant nursing of feel. If the hands reach peak speed before impact you’ve over accelerated and since we’re dealing with an angular system the clubhead will over take the hands and you’ll find yourself chasing the club through impact. In The Golfing Machine world we refer to this as clubhead throwaway."

Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond

Keeping lag -- I've found that (for a righty) pressure on the right index finger helps (by separating it from the other fingers and hooking it around the grip); also the Stack and Tilt Book mentioned that keeping the elbows as close together on the downswing as possible will help retain lag -- the feel for this is to feel like your elbows are pinching  together as the club head falls at the beginning of the downswing. (S&T; instructors - please comment)

Yes and that gets the right elbow from getting "stuck" behind you.  I feel the trail elbow should work similar to this

This is a drill of me me feeling the right elbow stay in front of my shirt seem and I'm maintaining the compression by having my weight forward and rotating hard.  If I stop the rotation, I'm going to hit way behind it.  So to me it's a combination of weight forward, right elbow location and rotation.  PP#5 is just the connection of my upper right arm to my torso

Now obviously not everyone gets the trail elbow that far forward, they may FEEL it though.  Most good players are somewhere between pitch and punch.  Jim Furyk is the most punch but also might have the most open hips at impact.

[mvmac]

Can see the difference in how much more rotation Furyk needs