My Swing (DanielJTIll)

[DanielJTill]

Hey guys thanks for the replies much appreciated, after accidently posting this is this part of the forum i reposted in the my swing section and have uploaded more videos love to know what you think about the other vids. Thanks oh here is the link http://thesandtrap.com/t/55227/my-swing-danieljtill

[DanielJTill]

By too far from the ball do you mean feet or body? Standing too close seems to make me feel all bunched up like I'm scraping my thigh on the downswing, but i have been at the range today, and trying to implement the turning the left hip out of the way rather than turning the right hip forward and have seen some good results, still working on it though, having the left foot flared open a little seems to help, but i looked into the right foot being open and every opinion was that it definitely shouldn't be.

Anyway what i am thinking is that the bunched up feeling was from moving toward the ball with the left hip closing up the little pocket to the ball, i think ill try standing a little closer next time i go see how it goes.

[DanielJTill]

sorry moving toward the ball with the right hip*

[colin007]

no, the right foot should be "open" as well.  this will help you turn your hips on the necessary inclined plane on the backswing, and also help you to push your hips laterally towards the target for a longer span before turning the hips open.

[DanielJTill]

God its a confusing sport, lol, some say one thing some another, i will try both but i guess it would take a while doing it both ways in order for me to tell which is best.

One thing that really helped today with consistency and didn't lose me any distance at all, was limiting the hip turn on the back swing, i felt more balanced after the swing and the balls were going pretty straight.

I use what would be called as a square to square swing, were as i keep the club closed as long as possible (well technically square to the plane) but most would say closed,

Scored an 89 today but all that was from a quad bogey on the first, i think simply by going the range an hitting 30 balls id knock 3 or 4 off my handicap instantly.

The clearing the hips is helpng and keeping my head back, havent really noticed any difference with the change in posture but maybe thats cus its new to me.

Will put another update of my swing tomorrow after the range, ye i play too much, lol, im well and trully addicted.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by DanielJTill

God its a confusing sport, lol, some say one thing some another, i will try both but i guess it would take a while doing it both ways in order for me to tell which is best.

One thing that really helped today with consistency and didn't lose me any distance at all, was limiting the hip turn on the back swing, i felt more balanced after the swing and the balls were going pretty straight.

I use what would be called as a square to square swing, were as i keep the club closed as long as possible (well technically square to the plane) but most would say closed,

Scored an 89 today but all that was from a quad bogey on the first, i think simply by going the range an hitting 30 balls id knock 3 or 4 off my handicap instantly.

The clearing the hips is helpng and keeping my head back, havent really noticed any difference with the change in posture but maybe thats cus its new to me.

Will put another update of my swing tomorrow after the range, ye i play too much, lol, im well and trully addicted.

I thought the square to square swing was debunked in the 70s as a surefire way to swing with no power or consistency, but I must be thinking of the "traditional" square to square method.

[DanielJTill]

well definateley dont agree with that as mike austin used the square to suare swing and drove 515 yds (wind assisted) at the age of 64

It works for me

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by DanielJTill

well definateley dont agree with that as mike austin used the square to suare swing and drove 515 yds (wind assisted) at the age of 64

It works for me

Not sure what Mike Austin has to do with your swing, but it you're happy trying to do it, who am I to judge?

[DanielJTill]

These are my approx yardages

64* - 70 yds

60* - 85 yds

SW - 105 yds

PW - 125 - 130 yds

9i - 140 yds

8i - 150 yds

7i - 155 - 160 yds some reason dont like this club

6i - 175 yds

5i - 185 yds

4hy - 200 yds

5w - 205 yds

3 w - 220-240 yds

Dr - 250 - 270 yds

Ok so i wont break any records but as im new to the sport, and only weight a little over 140 lbs i dont think id call the swing lacking in power.

Whats your understanding of the square to square swing and why do you think its poor,i dont really wanna continue learning something that is in someway a dead end.

Thanks

[DanielJTill]

Heres a good link to look at http://hardhittinggolfer.com/mikeaustininstruction.php

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by DanielJTill

These are my approx yardages

64* - 70 yds

60* - 85 yds

SW - 105 yds

PW - 125 - 130 yds

9i - 140 yds

8i - 150 yds

7i - 155 - 160 yds some reason dont like this club

6i - 175 yds

5i - 185 yds

4hy - 200 yds

5w - 205 yds

3 w - 220-240 yds

Dr - 250 - 270 yds

Ok so i wont break any records but as im new to the sport, and only weight a little over 140 lbs i dont think id call the swing lacking in power.

Whats your understanding of the square to square swing and why do you think its poor,i dont really wanna continue learning something that is in someway a dead end.

Thanks

I don't know anything about Mike Austin as he wasn't the orignal author (I could be wrong - there might be more than one square to square method as I mentioned earlier) but the original book was on a list of worst methods of all time. I can't cite the source of the list, but they outlined why it doesn't really work as it was presented. Based on your yardages, I strongly suspect you are working with a different method. Those distances are very respectable in fact!

[DanielJTill]

Ye there really isn't that much info on it, however those i have read and videos I've seen say that its a much easier way of swinging as if you don't roll the forearms on the way back u don't on the way down giving more consistency, the bad things I've read are basically saying hat no matter what u do the club has to open at some point and therefore its not square to square, however i would say so what if that's true for me by keeping the club more square on the way back for longer i get back to square a lot sooner in the downswing, and it had reduced my spray angle, on the downside when i first started it i was hooking quite bad as i was still rolling the forearms to try and square the face, unintentionally closing it.

I'd say one of the main things i need to work on a lil more is my short game, that's why i recently bought the 64 and it has helped some but still getting used to it.

Do you play often yourself whats your handicap and how long you been playing for?

[colin007]

square to the path would imply that at P2, your clubface is roughly matching the angle of your spine in relation to the ground, not pointing straight up ("toe up").  by extension, on the follow thru, or when the shaft is parallel to the ground again after impact, the face should be again matching the spine angle (hate that term but i think you know what im referring to ...).

[DanielJTill]

Ye thats it exactly, you ever tried it yourself colin?

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by DanielJTill

Ye there really isn't that much info on it, however those i have read and videos I've seen say that its a much easier way of swinging as if you don't roll the forearms on the way back u don't on the way down giving more consistency, the bad things I've read are basically saying hat no matter what u do the club has to open at some point and therefore its not square to square, however i would say so what if that's true for me by keeping the club more square on the way back for longer i get back to square a lot sooner in the downswing, and it had reduced my spray angle, on the downside when i first started it i was hooking quite bad as i was still rolling the forearms to try and square the face, unintentionally closing it.

I'd say one of the main things i need to work on a lil more is my short game, that's why i recently bought the 64 and it has helped some but still getting used to it.

Do you play often yourself whats your handicap and how long you been playing for?

Whenever I've seen video of someone using the s2s method, their swing looks anything but natural. It's a manipulation of the clubhead from start to finish and I don't see how that could result in any more consistent contact.

I don't play as often as some guys on this forum, but I've played enough over the years to get around in ~ 80 most rounds (rarely shoot <79 and haven't shot > 87 in a couple years)

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by DanielJTill

Heres a good link to look at http://hardhittinggolfer.com/mikeaustininstruction.php

The best part of that link is comparing the instructor video at the start to Mike Austin's skeleton suit swing in section 4. I know what I see, but then again, I'm not an instructor.

[DanielJTill]

I see what your saying but then i also think that it could be that the s2 swing is not as aesthetically pleasing and not necessarily unnatural, as it's simply a turn around a plane keeping the face perpendicular to it at least for the bottom half of the swing back to shaft parallel. Another link about discussion of a square face for longer into the back-swing http://thesandtrap.com/t/31893/clubface-square-to-the-plane

[bruce]

Wow,i'm really impressed JetFan1983 at how much time you put into helping somebody,thats great pointers your handing out. DanielJTill i would definitely take heed of what JetFan1983

is advising you about your shoulder angle.