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Hey guys I'm 16 years old and I currently play with stiff shafts. My average drive is around 305 my average for my 3 wood is 285. And for an iron my average 5 iron shot is around 205-210. My swing speed is 110mph give or take a few depending on the club. But I was just wondering if you all suggest I switch to extra stiff shafts vs my plain stiff shafts. And if so what are some good models for extra stiff shafts. Any help is greatly appreciated!

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Get fit. Everything else is just guessing.

Originally Posted by Ajkline

Hey guys I'm 16 years old and I currently play with stiff shafts. My average drive is around 305 my average for my 3 wood is 285. And for an iron my average 5 iron shot is around 205-210. My swing speed is 110mph give or take a few depending on the club. But I was just wondering if you all suggest I switch to extra stiff shafts vs my plain stiff shafts. And if so what are some good models for extra stiff shafts. Any help is greatly appreciated!




Posted

Originally Posted by x129

Get fit. Everything else is just guessing.

I definitely think this is the reasonable thing to do.  Personally, I liked, and bought, the KBS tours at my fitting.  I compared to project X and DG.

Edited: If you just change the shafts you may also have to do some work on the heads to retain the swingweight that you like.  Stiffer shafts are heavier.


Posted

You are a very short hitter for your age and your swing speed is pretty slow,

Until you are hitting the ball reasonable differences, I would stick with what you have.

But you are doing the right thing by asking people who've never seen you hit a ball what you should be using.

It's an excellent strategy.

Being a 16 year old off 3, there wouldn't be any local pros who know your game who could help you at all.

You are longer than Gary Woodland but short of Bubba Watson. Makes us want to help you out.

EK RANK
LAST
WEEK
PLAYER ROUNDS ALL DRIVES TOTAL DISTANCE # OF DRIVES
1 1 Bubba Watson 30 309.9 101,025 326
2 2 Gary Woodland 31 299.6 109,048 364
3 4 Dustin Johnson 24 297.5 74,672 251
4 3 Scott Stallings 24 296.5 71,159 240
5 6 Harrison Frazar 27 295.4 87,723 297
6 5 Kyle Stanley 36 294.2 119,158 405
7 8 Keegan Bradley 38 294.0 128,760 438
8 10 J.B. Holmes 29 293.3 90,323 308

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Posted


Originally Posted by Shorty

You are a very short hitter for your age and your swing speed is pretty slow,

Until you are hitting the ball reasonable differences, I would stick with what you have.

But you are doing the right thing by asking people who've never seen you hit a ball what you should be using.

It's an excellent strategy.

Being a 16 year old off 3, there wouldn't be any local pros who know your game who could help you at all.

You are longer than Gary Woodland but short of Bubba Watson. Makes us want to help you out.

EK

RANK

LAST

WEEK

PLAYER

ROUNDS

ALL DRIVES

TOTAL DISTANCE

# OF DRIVES

1

1

Bubba Watson

30

309.9

101,025

326

2

2

Gary Woodland

31

299.6

109,048

364

3

4

Dustin Johnson

24

297.5

74,672

251

4

3

Scott Stallings

24

296.5

71,159

240

5

6

Harrison Frazar

27

295.4

87,723

297

6

5

Kyle Stanley

36

294.2

119,158

405

7

8

Keegan Bradley

38

294.0

128,760

438

8

10

J.B. Holmes

29

293.3

90,323

308


lol! bit harsh though....

I attempt to get round with:

 

 SL290 Driver, 9*, 43S Shaft

 FL Fairway, 15*, 43S Shaft

Burner Superfast 2.0 Hybrid, 18*, Reg. Shaft

CG16 Tour Black Pearl Irons, FST KBS Tour Reg+ Shafts

CG16 Black Pearl 48-8* Wedge

CG15 52-10*, 58-10*, 60-8* Wedges

Method 001 Putter

 

 


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I have no idea if the OP is accurate or not but these stats do not say that he is longer than Gary Woodland. I have no clue about exactly what Gary tees off with but I bet it is driver around half the time at best. It is amazing how poor people are at understanding stats.

Originally Posted by Shorty

You are a very short hitter for your age and your swing speed is pretty slow,

Until you are hitting the ball reasonable differences, I would stick with what you have.

But you are doing the right thing by asking people who've never seen you hit a ball what you should be using.

It's an excellent strategy.

Being a 16 year old off 3, there wouldn't be any local pros who know your game who could help you at all.

You are longer than Gary Woodland but short of Bubba Watson. Makes us want to help you out.

EK

RANK

LAST

WEEK

PLAYER

ROUNDS

ALL DRIVES

TOTAL DISTANCE

# OF DRIVES

1

1

Bubba Watson

30

309.9

101,025

326

2

2

Gary Woodland

31

299.6

109,048

364

3

4

Dustin Johnson

24

297.5

74,672

251

4

3

Scott Stallings

24

296.5

71,159

240

5

6

Harrison Frazar

27

295.4

87,723

297

6

5

Kyle Stanley

36

294.2

119,158

405

7

8

Keegan Bradley

38

294.0

128,760

438

8

10

J.B. Holmes

29

293.3

90,323

308




Posted



Originally Posted by x129

I have no idea if the OP is accurate or not but these stats do not say that he is longer than Gary Woodland. I have no clue about exactly what Gary tees off with but I bet it is driver around half the time at best. It is amazing how poor people are at understanding stats.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorty

You are a very short hitter for your age and your swing speed is pretty slow,

Until you are hitting the ball reasonable differences, I would stick with what you have.

But you are doing the right thing by asking people who've never seen you hit a ball what you should be using.

It's an excellent strategy.

Being a 16 year old off 3, there wouldn't be any local pros who know your game who could help you at all.

You are longer than Gary Woodland but short of Bubba Watson. Makes us want to help you out.

EK

RANK

LAST

WEEK

PLAYER

ROUNDS

ALL DRIVES

TOTAL DISTANCE

# OF DRIVES

1

1

Bubba Watson

30

309.9

101,025

326

2

2

Gary Woodland

31

299.6

109,048

364

3

4

Dustin Johnson

24

297.5

74,672

251

4

3

Scott Stallings

24

296.5

71,159

240

5

6

Harrison Frazar

27

295.4

87,723

297

6

5

Kyle Stanley

36

294.2

119,158

405

7

8

Keegan Bradley

38

294.0

128,760

438

8

10

J.B. Holmes

29

293.3

90,323

308



If Gary Woodland played my course he'd need a spotter because he'd be hitting drives to places I never dreamed of. Watch any of these long hitters on Shot Tracker for a few holes. When there's a true driving hole, the bombers are often 30-50 yards past their calculated average. I'd comment on the OP's data, but I don't want to be accused of being a hypocrite.

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.


Posted


Originally Posted by x129

I have no idea if the OP is accurate or not but these stats do not say that he is longer than Gary Woodland. I have no clue about exactly what Gary tees off with but I bet it is driver around half the time at best. It is amazing how poor people are at understanding stats.



Is the tour now using every drive in the fairway to determine avg drive distance instead of just 2 predetermined holes from each round?  I remember they used to pick two holes on a course where they assumed most would hit driver and only measure distance on those holes.

Driver:  Callaway Diablo Octane 9.5*
3W:  Callaway GBB II 12.5*, 5W:  Callaway Diablo 18* Neutral
3H:  Callaway Razr X, 4H:  Callaway Razr X
5-PW:  Callaway X Tour
GW:  Callaway X Tour 54*, SW:  Callaway X Tour 58*
Putter:  Callaway ITrax, Scotty Cameron Studio Design 2, Ping Anser 4


Posted



Originally Posted by Mr3Wiggle

Quote:

Originally Posted by x129

I have no idea if the OP is accurate or not but these stats do not say that he is longer than Gary Woodland. I have no clue about exactly what Gary tees off with but I bet it is driver around half the time at best. It is amazing how poor people are at understanding stats.

Is the tour now using every drive in the fairway to determine avg drive distance instead of just 2 predetermined holes from each round?  I remember they used to pick two holes on a course where they assumed most would hit driver and only measure distance on those holes.


Are you asking "What does All Drives mean?"

Did you look at the table? Bubba has 326 drives in 30 rounds.

30 x 2 < 326

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.


Posted



Originally Posted by sean_miller

Are you asking "What does All Drives mean?"

Did you look at the table? Bubba has 326 drives in 30 rounds.

30 x 2 < 326


Ah got it.  Didn't look at the table.  The tour used to only measure on two holes, now it's all drives in the fairway.  Makes sense now.

Driver:  Callaway Diablo Octane 9.5*
3W:  Callaway GBB II 12.5*, 5W:  Callaway Diablo 18* Neutral
3H:  Callaway Razr X, 4H:  Callaway Razr X
5-PW:  Callaway X Tour
GW:  Callaway X Tour 54*, SW:  Callaway X Tour 58*
Putter:  Callaway ITrax, Scotty Cameron Studio Design 2, Ping Anser 4


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